Should I trade my 2018 Tundra in on a new one? help me decide.

I get 14.5 liters per 100 usually on short trips around town taking it easy. That's 16.17 mpg. Everyone with a 5.7 liter takes it easy trust me. You get a little aggressive and you are at 17-18 liters / 100 which is 13-14 mpg. If the new truck delivers 18-19 combined with spirited driving that is good.

Dealers have to sell at MSRP or less in Canada. Its illegal to charge above. I have two quotes from dealers who have discounted on the 2022 as a carrot to me, and this is because they want my low mileage 2018 in return, and are offering $5000 more for it. Have you seen the state of the used car lots? Hardly anything there. One manager when we were selling my sons car different brand, told me they will need to let used car staff go if they do not add vehicles. He called me from our Kijiji ad 8^0. Question is will this used car state last more than one year ?

Another thing. One Toyota dealer told me he is not even taking deposits on holds for new trucks coming in allocation, because it is refundable to the customer if they change their mind, requires paperwork, and he has people that will buy it anyway. Selling the new trucks will be no problem.

 

Closest I've gotten was 18.1mpg on about a 150 mile trip. It was raining, at night, and so I kept my speeds at 60 or below. Seems like 60 is the sweet spot. Any faster and your mileage dips. Give it the gas too much on starts and your mileage dips. You have to baby it to get that kind of mileage.

 

Just passing on some info. as I do research on my decision waiting for the trucks to arrive.
Re: for anyone that is considering like me - trading in their older Tundra (really any vehicle) on a new Tundra.
Just watched a BNN segment this morning on used cars. Various people interviewed including Autotrader and Clutch.
27% up used car prices 2021 on average. Just like the housing market.
Production on new cars slashed - supply
Global shortage of microchips. Won't turn around till at least 2nd half of 2022
They are saying its left a permanent mark on car industry - less appetite to build more cars . will build just as many as they can sell going forward and incentives to disappear.
This will raise prices across the board for new vehicles and therefore used vehicles.

So what I took away from this.

The prices on the Tundra is set - MSRP minus discount. A second dealer contacted me with discounts on the new truck. They want my truck. They just offered me more for my truck. Your used vehicle is an advantage over the winter, you have time to think about it. This is my opinion. Unless Toyota raises MSRP - lol,

I need to see and drive the new truck to form an opinion on it.

 

^^who is this? Caitlyn Jenner?

 

My take is once one manufacturer decides to not play like the others and ramps up to pre-covid production numbers, meaning lots of new cars on the lot giving them the immediate delivery advantage, others will follow and it will return to pre-pandemic times..maybe not as big of inventories, but inventories none the less. We are an impatient consumer...we want it yesterday.

 

8^)
Paige Ellis Bloomberg Reporter.
I much prefer to hear about my stock crashing from her than a 65 year old crusty old guy.

I agree however my opinion is Toyota has never bothered to play the full size pickup game with the others. They have always just built enough trucks to sell them. This contributes to their resale value. I do see alot more Gen 3 Tundras being sold, after the capital investment in the new truck it has to happen.

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Re: Crewmax with SUV like storage in cab vs Doublecab with longer bed argument.

I asked my wife her opinion on this. The SUV like space behind the front seats on the Crewmax, versus the really tight Double Cab space but longer bed. She told me I would really miss that rear space in the Crewmax, for the few times I have had an actual need for the longer bed in order to keep the tailgate closed. i.e. ATV transport. So that has me thinking again.

Re: Crewmax + longer bed.
I am of the opinion from the Detroit pickups I have seen with Crewmax type cabs and the 6.5 ft beds; that they are good for contractors as work trucks but just too long for the regular person ?
What do you guys think?

 

I all honesty it depends…

A crew max with a 6.5 bed would be absolutely great but where I live there is a mix of large parking lot and small parking lots. It’s very congested where I live so the length of that configuration would be a hassle as a DD.

I believe I read somewhere on here that the interior dimensions shrunk on the new generation of the double cab. That would not work for me. The 2.5 gen is perfect because my wife and I are short and my children will still be young when the truck turns ten years old. There is plenty of room. If you family is tall, not so much…

I hate the 5.5 beds because i really don’t like leaving the gate down to do anything. But that’s just me. I put my ATV in the bed as well and can close the gate which in my opinion is another layer of security.

It’s not an easy choice OP because all the options have many pros and cons.

 

Hmmm… interesting thread and perspectives. I vote no… keep the 2018.

I bought a 2021 TRD Sport this past February knowing the 2022 was a new redesigned model. The primary reason for my purchase of the 2021 was the discontinuation of the V8 (probably forever). With the addition of Turbos, hybrid technology, sensors, cameras, display screen dashboard, etc. in the 2022, a lot of technology and complexity is being added to the 2022 Tundra. These are complexities that are non-value added to me… just something else to break or require maintenance at some point.

 

I vote yes, get a 2022. Find out all the bugs and problems so others may benefit as well as us 5.7 guys can get a chuckle.

The 5.7 will always have a higher value in my opinion. Look at the vehicles people loved that toyota discontinued.. or lowered their production. Fj, land cruiser, look at their used prices... the 5.7 will be in that category.

The new smaller displacement engines with a turbo forced to work harder just won't see the reliability in my opinion. There's several MILLION miles 5.7 trucks original engine and transmission. Good luck with that on a v6tt.

 

This was my exact logic and decision, except I bought a 21 trd pro.

 

Do it..

 

Yes 100 % agree on more issues to wrong. Don’t need all the freakin bells and whistles. Lol.

 

100% agreed for me also. Would love it if the so called 'work truck' models came with manual windows and locks, cruise, A/C, AM/FM radio and almost nothing else, then you could just pay per extra feature if you really felt you needed heated seats etc.
I just want an automatic with the largest fuel tank and highest payload possible.

 

To be honest, no.

 

Appreciate the opinions to date especially when I haven't seen or driven the truck yet.

So 3 new CONS against the new tundra versus my 2018

• Exterior dimensions on the new truck are more (bigger) and interior dimensions are smaller. Who does this in this ECO friendly world?

• The hood is longer and shaped like a pirate plank. This is a separate issue. This is bad when going up 30 -45 degree grades which I do and I am staring at the sky or tree tops. The front camera in Canada is only available in a higher $$$ trim.

• Steering

Steering feel is very important to me. For a truck I find my Tundra good as far as steering feel goes. It gives enough numbness when pounding on bad trails and enough feel on highways. Its a good compromise for me.​

This new Tundra truck has brand new electric steering. Reviews have called it lifeless with no feel. My understanding is Toyota was forced to make this steering change or the robot backup steering system for keeping trailers straight would not work properly? Is this true? ​

It does make me wonder how such a big change to the drivers experience can be made, and which group of buyers they are trying to target with this change since it affects ALL trucks. ​

 

Sounds like you have already convinced yourself not to buy it. Why are we here?

 

I would wait to see how that new drive train holds up. Negative.

 

^^^
because right now the new truck is all theory to me.
I may be blown away by the good things it brings like rear diff lock, MTS, better mileage, .... to overlook the CONS I have listed.
The pull of paying minimal sales tax in a 13% sales tax province due to the trade in value of my truck is appealing too.
Maybe I will find the steering a good compromise?

 

I wish they would build a truck with no windows, spark advance, crank start and a brass spittoon. I'll wait until until God guarantees me it will never have an issue and then, I'll try to make up living a life I have missed. Have fun

 

this mindset and resale has me second guessing supercharging my current 5.7

is the gain in speed/fun worth risking reliability and resale. I know there are plenty of 5.7 S/C trucks with over 200k and minimal problems but there’s also quite a few that have had to perform maintenance on both.

 

That's a tough decision, I wish I had a spare 2021 to leave bone stock so i could super charge my trd pro.

 

Who cares? Your always going to have to maintain it
Might as well have an ear to ear smile while doing it.

 

The 2022 Tundra decreases leg room in the cab, both front and rear. And adds a bunch of dead space in front of the engine... don't think batteries are the reason... maybe aero, styling.

 

Would suspect there are factors and compromises related to the smaller interior space. Perhaps the new body shape considerations (reduce wind tunnel drag) affected the interior size/design. Anyway, if your using the Tundra as a work truck and transporting a work crew, this is not a positive. Bummer.

 

And heading into the prevailing wind direction and gaining altitude. Those things can make a big difference.

Anecdotal MPG "tests" are not "real world tests"... they aren't tests at all.

 

I'm guessing some of that dead space also has to do with pedestrian crash standards.

 

I can tell you that my truck is a bitch in some tight parking lots. The wheelbase on the 6.5ft Crew would be a little less, but not much (6 inches?). It's at that point where it's too far outside the norm of the average car. I've heard that the turning circle is wider on the 2022s, so that makes it even worse. Many people have been bitching about the lack of a 6.5ft bed on the Crew, but I don't think they are considering the downsides.

I don't think it makes much sense unless you want a decent camper (longer than 5.5 ft); then it's good for CG.

BTW... I'm certainly not hankering to upgrade, even though one aspect of the 2022s (a stiff boxed frame) would be really nice with a fulltime camper. I don't trust the 2022s to be nearly as reliable... more complex in general, 1st year issues, and Covid disruptions effecting QC.

 

Just test drove one. Interior smaller. Turning radius didn’t seem wider.

 

Windshield way more narrow. I didn’t like that.

 

You mean tall? I hate the lack of forward visibility in mine (like, what am I driving over on technical trails?)... but it looks worse in the new one.

So we can put big steel deer bashers on the front! Those would work nicely for pedestrians too I think...