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CAB AND DOOR SIZE

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by FO LO, Oct 5, 2021.

  1. Oct 12, 2021 at 6:51 PM
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    I’m guessing because the new truck is on the TNGA-F. Compromises had to be made to get all new vehicles to fit on this platform.
     
  2. Oct 13, 2021 at 9:38 AM
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    The 2.7" loss in leg room is very disappointing. I'm not sure what to make of the 'legroom specs' vs what we are seeing in videos, where legroom in back looks very small. I have a 2015 4Runner and Toyota lists the legroom specs on that as 41.7/32.9 , which is almost identical to the 22 DC Tundra. At 5'11'' I have pleanty of space behind the driver seat and can sit behind myself with a few inches to spare. I guess I will just have to see the new Tundra in person to get a feel for usable passenger space.
     
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  3. Oct 13, 2021 at 9:52 AM
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    Sounds like we paid 2.7 inch of leg room for all those coolers in the nose.
     
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  4. Oct 13, 2021 at 10:28 AM
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    I think 4 runner have more tilt on the back seat, DC is more straight. Look like it’s straighter then the 21.
     
  5. Jan 22, 2022 at 10:40 AM
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  6. Jan 22, 2022 at 10:47 AM
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    Thanks for the great pics.
     
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  7. Jan 22, 2022 at 10:51 AM
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    My experience is different. Plenty of space 5-10.

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  8. Jan 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM
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    Luxurious like a United flight.

    Baby seats, work tools, and full sized adults with feet/ski boots will persuade me otherwise.

    I have never had humans in my AC Tacoma’s rear seats, but even for work tools/etc. that little space fills too quickly for me.
     
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  9. Jan 22, 2022 at 11:21 AM
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    Why is the driver's seat pushed back behind the B pillar?
     
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  10. Jan 22, 2022 at 11:26 AM
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    Plenty of room for kiddos and the occasional adult.
     
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  11. Jan 22, 2022 at 11:41 AM
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    Who wears ski boots in the truck? That’s a bear, tunes and a minute in the parking lot sorta deal.
     
  12. Jan 22, 2022 at 11:43 AM
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    Looks like it’s set all the way back. I couldn’t touch the peddles if I tried in that position lol
     
  13. Jan 22, 2022 at 11:43 AM
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    Ditto. I also would have no peripheral vision.
     
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  14. Jan 22, 2022 at 11:47 AM
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    I'm 6’1”, 32” inseam. This is where the seat is with me in position to drive. And I sit very upright compared to most.

    Clever marketing pics/angles lead you to believe this thing is cavernous. Trust me, the trend of people saying the new cabin is noticeably smaller than all previous Tundras is spot on.

    Current year Tacoma double cabs have more rear seat space than the new Tundra double cab.

    I actually first sat in a Crewmax(no pix), adjusted the driver's seat to driving position, and when I opened the rear door I was shocked. That cabin is also noticeably smaller.

    Then when I did the same in the DC, I laughed, took a pic, and shut that door forever. Seriously looks like they took a Crewmax seat and stuffed it in the DC. The rear seat has twice as much padding as the front.
     
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  15. Jan 22, 2022 at 11:52 AM
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    I feel ya there. But my friends/family are total kooks. Also, when you live this close, it’s not worth wearing shoes unless you’re the driver.
     
  16. Jan 22, 2022 at 12:01 PM
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    I honestly think the 2.5 gen CM is too big. I'm admittedly only 5'10" but I don't see why I would need to be able to sit with my legs crossed in the back seat of a truck.
     
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  17. Jan 22, 2022 at 12:05 PM
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    Actually about two inches from the end of rails. In Tacomas I’m all the way back on the rails. In Tundras, I’m like two inches from the end of the rails.

    Some dealers slide front seats all the way back to take front pix. Then, slide them all the way forward when taking back seat pics. And by some, I mean most.
     
  18. Jan 22, 2022 at 1:30 PM
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    Simple fact is that many of us are empty-nesters and won't have anyone in the back seat, pretty much ever.
    Hell, Nissan has a 'rear seat delete' pkg. in their clam door Titan, a great idea.

    With kids around the CM would be the ticket, but now it's just a beast, especially for those of us hauling truck campers and needing a 6.5 bed.
     
  19. Jan 22, 2022 at 8:14 PM
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    This is where my drivers seat position was in a crewmax, you can use the center console as reference. I’m 6’2” with a 34” inseam. The front seats and console are the same on the double cab. The position you had the front seat on that double cab I would be way stretched and would need the steering wheel pulled back. I like to sit closer to the dash, in general. Just shows everyone is different. I suspect my seating position would allow an adult to sit comfortably behind me in a DC.
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    In comparison to the previous generations, to me the 2022 back cab looks like it was cut straight down...very similar to the Chevy and Honda Ridgeline. Look at the previous versions (2007 to 2021) and you can see the cab slants backward, giving more interior space and seat room. I dislike how the cab has been cut, the site line from the side view has really changed and can explain why the decrease in cab size.

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  21. Jan 23, 2022 at 6:06 PM
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    Everyone seems to get the payload and door sticker payload confused.

    the actual payload of the new Tundra is what the manual claims, much higher than the door tire sticker.

    The door sticker payload is the max using the p-rated tires that the truck comes with. With LT tires, the payload will be exactly as the claimed spec in the manual.
     
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  22. Jan 24, 2022 at 7:50 AM
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    What? I've never heard this before. Am I confused, or are you stating that if you put tires with a higher load rating you can legally and safely exceed the load carrying capacity as depicted on the door jam sticker of the truck?

    My understanding is that the manual provides specs for specific models and does not account for any options, packages or accessories available with the model.
    The door jam sticker does.
    Then that larger yellow sticker subtracts or adds weight depending on different accessories etc.
    Higher load rated tires do not change the GVWR of the vehicle. Since payload is derived by GVWR - actual curb weight = payload, the tires don't matter.
    Have I been wrong all these years? I'm not arguing. I'm seriously just asking if I'm wrong.
     
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  23. Jan 24, 2022 at 8:18 AM
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    Yes, exactly as stated. Door jam sticker specifically and directly relates to tire load capacity. With LT tires, your car can safely exceed that sticker value.

    Even if you look at a bare bones TUndra without any added options, the door, or more correctly, the tire load sticker would indicate lower payload compared to what the truck is capable and listed in its spec.

    ps: the reason the sticker supersedes any spec is that the tires are usually the weakest link, having limited max psi capacity
     
  24. Jan 24, 2022 at 8:34 AM
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    OK, I've literally never heard this before. Excuse my ignorance. Again, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to understand.

    I think we both agree that the GVWR does not change?

    I think we both agree how payload is calculated?

    Doesn't the manufacturer produce the vehicle specific door jam sticker by subtracting the weight of the actual vehicle from the GVWR to determine it's specific payload?

    If so, since changing the tires does not change the GVWR, and may increase the curb weight, how could it possibly increase the payload?

    You're saying that, the door jam sticker applies only to the tires that the new vehicle came equipped with. It has nothing to do with the weight of anything in the vehicle, above what the model came equipped with. So, if you replace the tires you can legally and safely ignore the door jam sticker and up to the spec from the manual for that model. How could this not increase the GVWR?
     
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    Is the max carrying capacity of the p rated tires less, equal, or more than the door jamb gvwr?
     
  26. Jan 24, 2022 at 8:49 AM
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    Wouldn't one assume that it would have to be more? How could a manufacturer produce a vehicle and equip it with tires that weren't rated to carry the load at GVWR?
     
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    im pointing out the logical problem with @Tundra-G ‘s argument. Lt tires are not limiting the door sticker gvwr if the p rated tires on the sticker have a far higher weight rating than what toyota lists for the truck. I personally overload my tundra without concern, however the gvwr does not go up with lt tires
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. I didn't think so either.
     
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    No truck maker would willingly de-rate their truck and give up valuable marketing potential
     
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    3/4 tons are actually doing this for commercial reason. Some 3/4 tons have a GVWR up to 11500 lbs, but over 10000 lbs GVWR for commercial vehicles means they need log books and to visit scales in some jurisdictions, so Ford and GM for sure offer a de-rated 9990 lb GVWR 3/4 ton option. That way the vehicle is still a 'light-duty' and does not need log books or scale visits anywhere.
     
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