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Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by sc1stgen, Sep 27, 2021.

  1. Sep 27, 2021 at 4:31 PM
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    I could be see them costing that much, Toyota wanted like 2100$ to replace the secondary air injection valve in my 2nd gen Tacoma. Toyota parts, especially the Lexus side of things seem to be $$$ when replacement comes up.
     
  2. Sep 27, 2021 at 6:02 PM
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    I would say this probably isn't even possible to look up the cost of the turbo via Toyota database yet. We could assume these are the same on the LS or LC, but probably not. Let's just say the turbo's cost 3000.00 each. What would a complete engine cost if the turbo's are 6K of it?

    Looking at aftermarket turbo supply, I would bet my cost estimate is pretty close.

    Members will just have to learn how to drive a vehicle with a turbocharged motor...which isn't very hard.

    The larger turbo on my truck is 1040.00 for a new one. Around 680-740 for a remanufactured one.
     
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  3. Sep 27, 2021 at 6:05 PM
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    The emissions required parts are pretty spendy. Even more for the Tundra.
     
  4. Sep 27, 2021 at 6:06 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    If your turbos burn out after warranty expires that is the trucks way of telling you it wants bigger turbos.
     
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  5. Sep 27, 2021 at 6:06 PM
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    Agreed, pretty crazy what they cost for what they are.
     
  6. Sep 27, 2021 at 6:40 PM
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  7. Sep 27, 2021 at 6:48 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    That was a good video Colorado TJ.

    Turbocharged engines can be reliable when designed properly and maintained. Just do your oil changes on time with quality oil and a good filter.
     
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  8. Sep 27, 2021 at 7:00 PM
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    Turbos have changed from a “special edition” feature to a main feature on many gasoline engines over the last decade. I think that this change has really helped the manufactures make a reliable offering. The big diesel manufacturers have never really had an issue. Heck, the Detroit 2 strokes had twin turbos and a super charger when I was a kid.
     
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  9. Sep 27, 2021 at 7:35 PM
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    Too many, but not enough....
    I mean, if people were getting quoted close to 10k to insurance for replacing 4 catalytic converters at the dealer, I have no problem believing turbo cost.
     
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  10. Sep 27, 2021 at 7:43 PM
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    Spare parts pricing is way higher than what the parts cost to the OEM at manufacturing time.

    My wife has a 2020 Toyota Corolla HB with LED headlights. We paid $20,750, brand new, for the car.
    She hit a mattress on the freeway, and it did some damage that looked worse than it really was, but the headlight was out of whack, so I pulled it up on Toyota. Each LED headlight cost $1,200.
    $2,400 in headlights for a car that only cost $20,750. 2 headlights cost 11% of the value of the car.

    I wouldn't be shocked if Toyota wanted $3,000/ea turbo.
     
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  11. Sep 27, 2021 at 8:11 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    LOL at Toyota OEM pricing for some parts. I’m shopping for a left bank catalytic converters. An aftermarket cat is about $400-$600, so what if it only lasts 50K miles under the warranty on the part? The truck has nearly 142,000 miles on it, and soon will be the spare truck/winter beater deluxe, probably only seeing 3,000-5,000 miles a year once I get a new daily driver. So an aftermarket cat will last me roughly 10-12 years, at which point I will probably have sold it off or donated it.

    We will see absolutely stupid prices for the OEM turbos if you simply must buy new OEM replacements once you’re out of warranty. The aftermarket will offer turbo rebuild kits, and aftermarket turbos that will make higher boost, with higher air flow and air density for less money. Probably a lot less money, and they will be nice OEM quality from the same manufacturers that make OEM turbos.

    As I said earlier if you love your twin turbski Tundra and want to keep it, and one day 10 years from now a turbo finally gives up, it’s an opportunity to upgrade!
     
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  12. Sep 27, 2021 at 8:21 PM
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    You're still better off spending that to replace them. The Chinese knockoffs from Auto Zone will last a fifth as long.
     
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  13. Sep 27, 2021 at 9:00 PM
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    6 years of research and development, reliability was their first concern, these guys de-tuned the sports car engine. An over-engineered engine. This engine will last just like current v8 engine. Don’t rule it out.
     
  14. Sep 27, 2021 at 9:12 PM
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    I realize that individual parts cost more to buy then what a manufacturer can mass produce vehicles. I also wouldn’t go to the dealer like a fool for anything after warranty coverage has expired. Why would someone pay double/triple the cost for no better service or parts? Would you go to a Chevrolet dealership for a new LS3 in your SS? Hell no you wouldn’t . Your happy ass would be buying an updated LS3 crate motor long block with more options for way cheaper (probably a better warranty to boot).

    I also think it’s absurd to think it would cost 10k dollars to replace two turbos. Even having two fail at the same time in this configuration would be very rare unless you work really hard at it (racing or heavy pulling without idling motor down, purposely causing turbo bark, etc).
     
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  15. Sep 27, 2021 at 9:18 PM
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    Well, he's a Toyota fanatic, so to him Toyota can do know wrong. He's says the '22 Tundra is perfect having never even driven one, so that's all you need to know about him. I'll wait until people on here buy one and tell us about their own experience with it before I watch a Youtube video of some guy just trying to get clicks for ad dollars.


    Made it to the 2:00 minute mark then stopped watching.
     
  17. Sep 27, 2021 at 10:03 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    I have to disagree with the characterization of the V35A-FTS as a sports car engine. For starters the Lexus LS500 is a lot of things, but it’s no sports car. We’re talking about a big luxury barge sedan with a curb weight in AWD form of 4,938lbs, for reference the heaviest curb weight I could find for a 1st Gen Tundra is just over 4,200lbs.

    A detailed look at the new engine and you will see all the characteristics of a truck engine:

    1.) 85.5mm bores and a 100mm stroke. (85.5X100)

    Under square like a truck engine, made to produce torque not high RPM power.

    2.) Toyota went to extensive lengths to address cooling with this engine:

    Designed from the start with piston oil jets to keep pistons cool and crank pins lubricated.

    Designed from the start with an integrated, water cooled exhaust manifold to keep EGT’s under control (can you say turbo longevity enhancement?).

    Even the LS500 has a fairly large radiator, and fairly large air to water intercoolers with a good sized dedicated radiator for the intercoolers.

    3.) The rotating assembly has clearly been designed to be robust and endure the rigors of forced induction cylinder pressures and thrust on the crank:

    Full floating connecting rod/piston pins.

    A very robust crank shaft supported by main bearing caps integrated into a girdle style lower crank case bed.

    There is probably a bunch of stuff I missed, but I suspect that Toyota developed the V35A-FTS from the start for multiple applications, with an emphasis on use in heavier trucks and SUV’s because they know that’s where their volume will be. So with that in mind I would say that the LS500 has a truck motor in it because by any standard of engine architecture it says low to mid range RPM high torque output.

    Just my $.02, and worth considerably less than that.
     
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    My problem is Toyota used words like “Groundbreaking” and “Change The Game” with this truck. What I see is a copy of the F-150 with its hybrid version but with many less options. An 98% copy of the GMC 1500 in looks except they instead said lets make the grill way the F&%K uglier. The Ford Ranger mini-truck has better payload. The towing numbers are good but equal to or less then the competition. They should have used words like “Compare” and “Almost”.
     
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    Have fun waiting another 15 years.
     
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    Where else would I go to buy an LED headlight? Chinese knock-off? Hell no. That has to be OEM.
    We need to have an agreed basis for pricing, which would be OEM.
    If you can get parts cheaper from elsewhere, great. We can't argue on pricing if people are going by deals they expect to get
     
  21. Sep 28, 2021 at 6:30 AM
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    I mean, if it can do most/all of what the competition can do *and* be reliable, that's fairly groundbreaking. LOL
     
  22. Sep 28, 2021 at 6:48 AM
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    Someone that does retrofits maybe? Now if you can get the same OEM lights from two different sources, I’m sure you would purchase the cheaper of the two.

    Then again, I also have certain “requirements” when buying a vehicle and what I’m willing and not willing to put up with. Having craptastic headlights is one that misses those “requirements”.
     
  23. Sep 28, 2021 at 7:38 AM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    You don’t need to be able to see at night!
     
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    The sum of a car's parts is always more than what the car's value is. This is not some ground breaking or new concept, nor is this limited to just cars. Maybe that reality doesn't apply to you specifically, but it does to the majority.

    Most cars come standard now with better headlights, so your "craptastic" comment makes no sense to me. @JuicyJ never said he HAD to have that, he was giving a solid example of the high cost to replace them.
     
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  25. Oct 11, 2021 at 7:13 AM
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    The craptastic comment was how some factory headlights suck…kinda like the Tundra 2.5 gens do (so I’ve heard) and why so many people swap out factory ones.
     

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