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Got pool repair questions? I'm happy to assist where I can.

Discussion in 'Home Improvement' started by tech1208, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. May 3, 2020 at 3:25 PM
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    tech1208 [OP] Old Salt, New truck

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    Look at the pool, and check for stains, tile cracks, and epoxy patches (google this). Look at the equipment, is everything sun faded? Or does it look newer? Have a pool company actually perform the inspection on the pool if you choose to buy, and have them reduce it to writing. Most home inspectors will not the full ins and outs of the pool, and will also have a disclaimer on it.

    Not an issue to swap a tablet pool to salt pool. Requires plumbing and a little electrical.

    Randy
     
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    Randy, thanks for the help last year with my spa heater questions. Having that installed has been awesome. I now have a new issue, my pool filter housing cracked on the bottom and is leaking pretty bad when the pumps are running. My equipment seems to be fairly old, so I'm looking at replacing. My current filter has a 425 ft2 filtration area. One of my local pool shops recommended the Sta-Rite system 3 500 ft2 with a variable speed pump, and intellipro controller, but another guy said the Sta-Rite system 3 is more of a commercial filter and is overkill. My wife would also like to switch over to a saltwater pool since we're replacing the equipment. I see above you mentioned it shouldn't be an issue, just want to make sure there wouldn't be a problem with the spa heater we put in last year. I plan on this being my forever home, so I don't want to go cheap. Buy once, cry once! Any thoughts or recommendations?
     
  3. Apr 19, 2021 at 2:49 PM
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    I know Randy will answer as well, but in my installs, overkill is always better.
    Go with the salt. You’ll never look back or regret it.
    Heater will be fine.
    Salt content is 3000PPM max. Like a teardrop.
     
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  4. Apr 19, 2021 at 3:39 PM
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    I'm not a pro, just an accidental pool owner for 15 years now. I switched to salt after the first year and it was a game changer. Much easier to maintain. I will say,the cells have a limited lifespan. Budget about $100 per year for cell replacement about every 5 years. Also don't get sucked in to buying salt from a pool store, water softener salt from HD is about $6 for a 40 pound bag. Just make sure you don't get the stuff with the iron remover.
    For that matter, don't buy any chemicals from a pool store. Baking soda, muriatic acid can be had from a grocery store and HD for much less. Clorox brand CYA can be had from Amazon fairly cheap. If you have a vinyl liner or fiberglass pool, hardness isn't a consideration. Combined chlorine also isn't relevant for a salt pool, there is none.
    I can't really comment on the system brand. I have Heyward with a sand filter using Zeobrite(?). I have a friend with a DE filter and one with a cartridge filter and they seem to be similar and far as effectiveness and maintenance.
    4 weeks to pool time!
     
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    Your statement about CC in a saltwater pool is incorrect. While you may be less likely to have a significant amount of CC in a saltwater pool it still happens.

    Bather load, free chlorine, stabilizer will play a significant role. 4 people in for the afternoon it's probably not an issue but have kids running around jumping in and out you're going to get some CC.

    100% correct on the chemicals though.
     
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    Thanks for the input so far.
     
  7. Apr 19, 2021 at 4:49 PM
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    Question: How much evaporated water should a pool have per week? Our pool guy insist there is no leaks yet I have to add about 4 inches of water per week. He states it evaporates...
     
  8. Apr 19, 2021 at 4:51 PM
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    Glad it all worked out for you last year, and you have enjoyed the heater. What size pool do you have now? LxW, and how deep in deep and shallow end? I looked back at the equipment pics, and couldn't quite see everything. As for a 4 cartridge filter system on exposed pool (no cover or leaf net), I agree with the sentiments of going larger than required. Your flow rate will be what it is at this class of filter you have or larger. The difference in going large is the frequency in which you will need to clean it. Another consideration is the cost of replacement cartridges in going to a commercial filter vs the largest residential/commercial model.

    All that being said, the Jandy equivalent is the CV460 for what you have. The oversize is the CV580. Here is a link: https://www.jandy.com/en/products/filters/cv

    I have the Jandy Aquapure 1400 system on my house and this is my go to for large pools sanitization system. Its pricey, but worth it to me. We don't see failures of any significance out of the box, and I'm going 5 plus years on my cell, with minimum buildup on the cell. My pool is 15K gallons, and I''m screened in. I run it at 20% through the winter, and 40% through the summer. And don't let the percentages confuse you. The number does not reflect the amount of concentration. The number reflects the amount of time per hour the unit is producing. I have a variable speed pump that runs 12 hours a day at various speeds. The longer the pump run time, the lower the percentage of time per hour the cell can run. As well as the longer the pump time even at slower speeds, the more often my pool turns over on volume through the filter.

    I'm hoping your tracking the last 2 paragraphs?

    The Sta-Rite and the Pentair (Same company) units are good units, just not my go to. The Pentair Intelliflo is not user friendly for someone not in the pool business. They were built and engineered by Germans, and you have to think like one with a flow chart in order to use it and program it. The VS PlusHP is what I have and you get a IQ Pump controller that runs on an App for control as long as you have wifi signal at the equipment pad.

    Here is a link: https://www.jandy.com/en/products/pumps/variable-speed/vs-plushp-2hp-dv2a
    https://www.jandy.com/en/products/pumps/variable-speed/iqpump01

    Download the Intelliflo manual and take a look and see how you like programming it and or changing it to operate it. I'm confident you will need the manual handy every time you try to.

    For the record, I have Jandy DEV60 filter system. DE is hard to beat for filtration, unless you live in CA. It's the worst type of filter out there due to all the restrictions on DE Powder and slurries.

    Hope this helped?
     
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  9. Apr 19, 2021 at 4:52 PM
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    Yeah, I keep the stabilizer, CYA, between 40 and 50. During the week it's just me or me and my wife in the evening. Lots of people on the weekends. I checked it for about 5 years and never had any. But I will start spot checking again since you mentioned it.
     
  10. Apr 19, 2021 at 5:00 PM
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    That would be excessive for FL. I'm not familiar with your weather in CA. Do a bucket test to verify. Works on either coast.
     
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    You'll notice quickly if it gets too high. The "chlorine" smell is a dead giveaway. There may be some after high usuage is normal but preferably under 1ppm and that should disappear in under 4 hours.

    I'm in charge of maintaining a 300k gallon indoor pool and even during heavy use we'll see a bump in CC considering we've got secondary UV disinfection, 15% liquid chlorine feed, and a pump running 700gpm 24/7, through a 1200lb vacuum sand filter.
     
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    Thank you. I'll try this week.
     
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    So by my calculations my pool is approximately 21,000 gallons. It's uncovered year round and I have multiple trees nearby. I was told DE is not good in CA where I live due to all the environmental regs in my state. I'm taking a look now at the links you posted.
     
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    Here is a few pics of the equipment.
    37FA50D9-A133-4261-9D25-58F4A835B638.jpg 6B3A4995-5324-4610-84D5-52D4D7AE3BAB.jpg
     
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    What the hell is the chlorine for then???
     
  16. Apr 19, 2021 at 5:30 PM
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    The Waterway filter has long lived its life. Your single speed pumps are quite old as well. Run them all as long as you want, understand when they finally give up the ghost, they already out performed their service life.
     
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    Different contaminants require different contact time to be inactivated. Giardia can take up to 45 minutes at "normal" sanitizer levels
     
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    TOUGH LITTLE BUG.
     
  19. Apr 26, 2021 at 7:19 PM
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    Randy, one last question. I’m still waiting on some pricing from the installer for the equipment and availability. He told me the labor install cost would be between $2400-3400 but that includes all electrical and plumbing fittings and pipe. Does that seem reasonable? I understand pricing varies regionally. Thanks for everything!
     
  20. Apr 26, 2021 at 8:13 PM
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    All depends on the actual parts. If its a filter, VS pump, and salt system, $3400 would be very cheap with install. If he's quoting labor and misc, to install those 3 items, I want his customers for my region. That cost would be insane down here. Installation costs not including equipment, would be under $700.00 (Labor and misc). And would take less than 4 hours.
     
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    It will be the salt system, vs pump, filter, 2 secondary pumps, new control panel, and actuator valves. He said more than likely closer to the $2,400 range.
     
  22. Apr 27, 2021 at 3:25 AM
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    Randy, I appreciate all the advice and I’ve read mostly good about both brands. In talking to a few local pool shops some like both but push one over the other. I’m trying to get prices for both but in reality it’s probably going to come down to availability of all the equipment. I don’t know how the east coast supply is but it seems the west coast supply of equipment is scarce.
     
  24. Apr 27, 2021 at 9:36 AM
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    I get it, as Texas taxed a lot of the supply of the chain. Don't make a rash decision on something tha'ts available today and you are stuck with for 8-10 years.
     

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