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Gooseneck Trailer?

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by Skierdad, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. Feb 22, 2021 at 9:49 AM
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    I know guys are pulling boats and 5th wheel campers but is anyone pulling a gooseneck flatbed trailer?

    If so, how did the ball installation go? Did you have Toyota do it?

    I am thinking of getting a 20' flatbed gooseneck to put the toys on and then add a hitch on the back to pull the boat behind that. Legally I can do it since the gooseneck has brakes.

    Trying to figure out how to do motorcycles, golf cart, kayaks, and boat all on the same pull instead of using two vehicles.

    Not interested in a camper/toy hauler.
     
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    Is your truck a DC or a CM? I've heard 5th wheel with a CM puts you at risk of smashing your rear window when turning; not sure if that would also be a risk with a gooseneck.

    I've also heard that, due to the pin weight of gooseneck trailers, you'll be hard-pressed to stay within your payload rating. @ColoradoTJ switched to a one ton partially to tow his gooseneck trailer.
     
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    Today I was playing musical trailers. This is 51’ of combined truck and trailer. That is a 28’ LowBoy.

    From my napkin math estimates, you will be 10’ longer at 61’.

    Lotta ass behind you with a half ton....

    I looked up where your location is, and I am familiar with the unforgiving wind in your state.

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    I have the crew max cab in this new truck. I found an 18' gooseneck trailer which wouldn't get me too long. My boat is another 20' though.

    Wind? what wind? ;)
     
  7. Feb 23, 2021 at 6:29 AM
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    what toys are you hauling? Could you put the boat on the trailer with the toys if you went with a little bit longer gooseneck?

    I think its do-able to stay within the legal specs of towing both. I don't think you are going to like it. I don't think you would like it with a 1 ton dually.
     
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    Any updates to this thought? I recently purchased a new tractor, John Deere 4066r Cab tractor, and I currently have a very beefy 18' bumper trailer that the axles are only rated for 7,500lbs. I believe I will have to make a change here with something. I sold my Cummins for a real truck, My tundra, that I didn't have to worry about giving me all kinds of problems but I sacrificed my hauling capacities. I am looking for a maybe a 20-25' flat deck gooseneck, just something with a little more capacity to hold this larger weight tractor and an implement. I also will not be hauling more than 50 miles one way. For the record I do have air bags in the rear of my truck with on-board air for easy load leveling.


    I am not against doing some fabrication to my current trailer with replacing springs and axles to upgrade it to a 10,000lb trailer, just need to know what the best option here is. I use my Tundra for everything so versatility is great. I plan to have some farm animals, with needs of moving feed/hay in the near future also.
     
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    That would be a site. Set aside the backing up dilemma.

    Does your boat trailer have brakes? How would you activate those? How would you operate the second trailer lights.

    that’s a whole cluster f@$# I wouldn’t want to deal with. I’d just make two trips or bring a friend along to tow one of the trailers.
     
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    So your tractor weights about the same as mine.

    Below is my setup on an 16' with 6.5K axles. Just for reference. My only concern with the Gooseneck is the added weight of the trailer. ~5K tractor with 1K implement and 3-4K gooseneck with put you right at the max towing.

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    My 24’ GN is 4600 lbs without a spare tire or options. This pretty much just sucks up half of what a Tundra can pull.

    The 28’ is a bit heavier.
     
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    Thanks for the thoughts, and the picture there of your rig. I don't plan to purchase a new trailer unless I absolutely have to. I have alot of custom work put into my 18' for hauling everything I need/do currently. I also believe the suspension is wore out and could use replaced, so if I went that route I would upgrade to heavier axles as well. The only thing I see useful about purchasing a newer trailer is a little extra length. I use all 18' currently with the loader/tractor/cutter combo. However the new tractor I just purchased I can remove the whole loader to haul without it so that will save me a few feet on length if I was going to a job that I didnt need the loader. Just want to weigh my options out...
     
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    I hear ya! 18' is good but a 20'-22' seems to be a sweet spot for a loader, tractor, mower combo. What ramps do you have? Having slide in ramps on an 18' trailer would be great and allow the mower to hang over a bit.

    I have actually been looking at upgrading trucks to a 3/4 ton so I could get a gooseneck and not have to worry about payload with my tractor
     
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    To bad we live so far away. I would give you my slide in steel ramps. I'm going aluminum 6K each rated ones.
     
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    The ramps have the sliding track on the tail and they removed and slide under that trailer for holding while hauling. The tail of the trailer only sets about 6-8" off the ground though, so anything 4wd doesnt even need them to load or unload.

    When hauling the tractor mower combo I normally have to unbolt the rear tail wheel of the cutter to clear the road but it still hangs over.

    IMG_1461.jpg

    You can see my truck is squatted pretty good as well, this was taken before I had my air bags installed.

    I have a removeable winch for the front (the bucket rests on the mount when hauling) and I also have 2"x6" pocket tubing under the deck on the front to hold my pallet forks off the side of the trailer. I took and reinforced the deck frame above the axles. There is also 2" thick wall square tubing about every 1' underneath the floor for cross support. the trailer really needs tandem 5k axles now that I have strengthened everything way greater than it came from factory.
     
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    Are you able to curl the bucket all the way under? So the cutting edge on the bucket faces your front tires. I think you might gain a foot. It’s definitely tough with a mower you almost have to be between 20-22ft. I’m trying to think of ideas that aren’t spending money haha
     
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    With my last 20’ trailer I still had a little bit of my brush hog hanging off the back.

    Some of you guys with big boy tractors must have fun fitting them on even a 22’ deck.

    @Rebel Tundra Man, that’s a really nice tractor you have!:thumbsup:
     
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    Tundra is 19', 2-3' between truck and GN trailer (depending on brand...go with Big Tex, they have the shortest GN distance of 8'), 18' deck, probably 22-23' total on the boat.

    So around 62-63' total length unless screwed up on the math.;)
     
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    Thanks! I have did some upgrading over the past few years, I started with a 32hp compact tractor and it wasnt cutting it tending to our 30 acres. So last March I stepped up to that one, its 52hp, but last saturday I traded it in on this beauty...

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    Hence why I am concerned about the trailer situation now... The tractor is the same frame size as the 52hp setting on my trailer. Differences are the cab and heavier components, as well as 66hp.
     
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    I have to load it that way just for load balance purposes... I have tried it all directions and if I pull any farther forward it is too much on the truck.
     
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    Tyler! Dude...that is a bad ass tractor. My buddy in Oklahoma has that model without the cab. I was using it and what a workhorse.

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    Sorry it's been so long to reply to this important thread.

    I got some numbers for you all and would like to share them, and why a GN trailer for a 1/2 ton is probably a bad idea.

    My trailer, and is an overkill for 90% of people, myself included. If you really knew me..."that's Chris"...

    24' Load Trail Lowboy GN trailer, 8K axles (if I ever wanted to start commercially, I would need a Class A CDL 11500 + 16000=27500 lbs).

    Trailer weight with 1 chain, two ratchet binders, 8 ratchet tie down straps, slide in 5' HD ramps, tail jacks, spare tire is 4600 lbs. Now I could take out the chain and binders, I will be getting aluminum ramps for back savings, and dump the tail jacks unless I'm really loading the trailer down (a couple Kubota SV95 or larger skid steers). I could lose the hydraulic jacks/pump, battery....but hell no. Most trailers in this class with 7K axles are only a few hundred pounds lighter at best.

    Truck and trailer empty:

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    Trailer axles only still hooked to truck:

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    Now trailer axles only disconnected from truck:

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    Right off the bat I have 1040 lbs of pin weight. Not a big deal, I can go 3800 lbs. This is calculated around 22.5% pin weight for this trailer. This just ate up most of the capacity of a 1/2 ton and some 3/4 ton diesels.

    Things to consider when thinking about buying a GN/5th wheel trailer.
     
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    Thank you for the write up and exactly why I am still searching for the right 3/4 or 1 ton truck. The tundras are very capable trucks for a 1/2 ton but sometimes you just need more truck
     
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    What kind of Saw is that on the back?? I am looking to clear some ground and I been using a bush hog but a saw would be good too.
     
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    I would not be scared to load my equipment that I currently have on this trailer and hook to my Tundra for a haul. I'll do some rough math here, someone correct me if I am wrong, but Im going to say that my Tundra currently weighs about 6,500lbs with fuel, cargo, and myself, then we add the trailer weight of 4,600lbs, that brings us to a combined weight of 11,100. The Gross Combined weight that a Tundra is stamped for is 16,000lbs. so that still leaves roughly 5,000-6,000lbs that can be loaded and be within/just over the sticker numbers of towing capacity, gross combined weight, and tongue weight. Am I thinking/figuring correctly here? I am just rounding numbers based off these pictures of truck weight and all that jazz since you used a 3/4 ton GMC instead of a Tundra which will lower Gross Combined weight by a significant amount.
     
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    I have a gooseneck hitch going on a 2010 Tundra here in a minute here I can post pics of. Did a heavy duty Add - A - Leaf as well....standby...
     
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    You forgot about GVWR/payload/pin weight, which is a completely separate conversation.

    If you're looking to go close to the GCWR of 16k lbs and your truck weighs 6500 lbs, let's make the math easy and say your trailer weighs 9000 lbs. A 20% pin weight (typically what's recommended to be safe with a GN if I recall correctly) would give you 1800 lbs, which is well over the payload capacity you figured of 700 lbs (which is the GVWR of 7200 lbs less the weight of the truck and everything in it).
     
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    Thank you, I knew I left something out.
     
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    Turbo Saw. That one is the model with the push bar. Hell, there’s one with a grapple as well.



    My 20 HP PTO wouldn’t run it, but my buddies 52HP JD was sawing down trees like a hot knife to butter.
     

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