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BSM compatible Road Armor bumpers on sale

Discussion in 'Deals & Group Buys' started by Rbohno, Jan 15, 2021.

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  1. Jan 25, 2021 at 5:09 PM
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    Saltyhero13

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    This is not my first rodeo. I see what you did there @BayRunner

    What I immediately noticed is the images are not from your own video but are actually screen shots of @Motor71 s video. The length of the video is identical and the vehicles in the background are identical. Nice try posting them as if they were your own. Put more effort into it next time. Your dishonesty deserves mod attention. @ColoradoTJ @Squatting Pigeon

    My evidence for this? Your second image is nearly identical to the image in my post where I noted the BSM indicator is on well after the vehicle leaves the frame. The camera FOV is pointed forward indicating the vehicle is at least 3 feet in front of the mirror, possibly even more. Same background.

    So you think the videos @Motor71 posted shows OEM performance?

    Lets take a closer look. Shall we?

    https://youtu.be/EcJ-h1K23D4?t=6

    Wierd BSM2.jpg

    The screen shot taken at the 6s mark shows the trailer lights below the mirror indicating the truck towing the trailer has passed the Tundra and is possibly even beyond the the front of the Tundra's bumper. This is not within OEM spec. Not even close. Its the same behavior exhibited in the other video.

    Not convinced this bumper cannot reproduce OEM sensor spec?
    Here is a supercut video taken of stock OEM BSM working on about 15+ different target vehicles, some passing and some being passed at different rates of speed varying from 40 to 70 MPH. The camera is placed on a mount hanging from sunroof glass oriented in a nearly perpendicular FOV to the glass. As you will see in the video the left edge is close to the "B" Pillar and the right edge is covering the "A" pillar. At no point in the video does the target vehicle cross the "A" pillar before the indicator shuts off. Not once.

    https://youtu.be/W2kraopMJQM

    The second video below provides some slomo shots of the same video. I could only slomo the first few passes before the video went full 8bit potato on me; YT will let you slow the rest down to X.25 speed. Contrast these passes with the two videos presented by @Motor71 and it is clear the bumper is altering the driver's side BSM detection area at a minimum.

    https://youtu.be/7u0MLuWKF4w

    So what is the big deal? This improved the BSM range right?
    No. In this case it means "radar" signal that is pointed elsewhere is now being directed forward where it shouldn't be nor where it was intended to be. You aren't getting more signal or coverage area for free.

    The company advertised a BSM compatible bumper. Based on the videos @Motor71 provided the bumper does not deliver this to OEM specs. At the minimum the driver's side of the vehicle is out of tolerances and it is very likely detection is deficient elsewhere as well. Bottom line, consumers of this product (that includes us on these forums) are expecting OEM detection and they should know they are not getting that from what has been demonstrated so far.

    Is it possible the bumper was installed incorrectly or screwed something up?
    I don't think it is possible to misalign the sensor to a degree where it is extending the range an extra 5 feet beyond its normal operating parameters. This brings up other issues with this bumper's design, beyond reshaping of the BSM's detection arc. The bumper will make it incredibly difficult to calibrate the sensor to the correct baseline orientation. Nor should there be fitment issues where the sensors need to be hammered into place to get them mounted.

    It is incredibly difficult to accurately predict how this bumper's geometry would impact BSM/RCTA especially considering the limited technical information we have available. I took a crack at it and got it wrong (more than once) but my concern BSM would be altered turned out to be true. I encourage you to review the videos (@Motor71 's and my own) an make up your own mind. I'm not on here to fuck with people and vendors; I see something wrong, especially a potential safety issue, I will say something. If I rub anyone the wrong way, I've got my "Bad Guy Speech" prepared as I depart the dining area.

    Best of luck for those those who currently own or plan on owning this bumper. In all seriousness be safe.
     
  2. Jan 25, 2021 at 5:24 PM
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    I need to remember to grab my coffee cup before reading your posts :) (pun intended)

    I was not trying to pass off the 2 pic snaps as mine but was merely pointing out that they were pretty darn close to my observations during my tests. This is all based on the driver side so far and have not had the time to disseminate the passenger side.

    Again based on that video and compared to my observations of the functionality of my factory ‘17, it is my opinion the behavior is very close.
     
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  3. Jan 25, 2021 at 5:26 PM
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    What coupon code did you use?
     
  4. Jan 25, 2021 at 5:28 PM
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  5. Jan 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM
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    They aren’t starting it on the website till February 1st so you have to call in and ask for Nino ( tell him Richard told you to ask for him)
     
  6. Jan 26, 2021 at 5:37 PM
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    I tested it in their shopping cart and it does take off the 50%. Just have not pulled the trigger yet. Still debating
     
  7. Jan 26, 2021 at 8:56 PM
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    Initially I suspected a broken driver side sensor. Unfortunately the same issue is occurring on the passenger side as well. It is harder to see because of the lighting. The indicator presents later since the target vehicle is being passed. In contrast the behavior on the driver's side are target vehicles that are passing. It is more noticeable in my video where you can see the indicator varies if I am passing or being passed.

    Wierd BSM Pass.jpg

    The "extra" detection zone coverage is coming at a loss of coverage elsewhere, likely in the rear. I suspect signal intend for the rear zone is being split where half is covering the rear zone and half is reflected forward. Yes it is roughly half. Anything much smaller would be rejected since the cross-sectional return signal would be too small to register as an object in BSM. You'll see this rejection behavior with motorcycles and smaller vehicles, they won't indicate at all or they trigger indication significantly later than normal.

    50% off? They should pay you to accept the bumper as an engineering sample. You fix the issue for them. Profit?!? WIN-WIN. I would be disappointed if you didn't take the opportunity.
     
  8. Jan 26, 2021 at 9:22 PM
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    For me personally I have the rear parking sensors and rear camera so as long as my mirrors light up and warn me when someone is in my blindspot on the sides I am okay with it.
     
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  9. Jan 27, 2021 at 7:45 AM
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    With all due respect my posts aren't for you anyway. They are for the benefit of consumers like me that want a BSM/RCTA compatible bumper and don't find it acceptable it isn't operating within OEM tolerances on this product. So if you like your product and you find it acceptable, good for you. Not all of us do. It's your right to accept the risk of using this or any other product. I sincerely hope the company honors your loyalty and takes care of you if any other issues arise.
     
  10. Jan 27, 2021 at 4:10 PM
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    They really are for me because this is my thread but I appreciate the time you took to analyze a bumper through a you tube video shot via cell phone through mirrors along with internet pictures.
    You are apparently extremely knowledgeable in your field of expertise and I don’t doubt that with the correct equipment you could truly determine this bumpers capabilities.
    However without having that access I dont think you can 100% say these bumpers BSM capabilities are crap all the while the people that actually own them say they “DO” work in “real life” hands on experience.

    I don’t do the keyboard commando thing so I will say again Thank you for your time and input and let’s let everyone else know we respectfully agree to disagree and let them decide on their own with info given whether to purchase one or not.
     
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  11. Jan 27, 2021 at 4:49 PM
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    Well said, to each their own. People are gonna make their own decisions and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think this thread provided enough info for anyone that's interested in buying this bumper.
     
  12. Jan 27, 2021 at 6:02 PM
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    Not really sure that was exactly fair because this is his thread. As the OP, it is his domain.

    Besides that, and I say this with respect, it seems you are very invested in discrediting this bumper (Ulterior motive?) Granted my analysis is not a scientific study but based on my observations of the driver side video, the behavior is close to factory bumper behavior which would be within tolerance. Here are my snaps of when the BSM kicks on and goes off with factory bumper.



    this is darn close to the posted video.

    Summary: Bottom line is that the BSM system is designed to light up the indicator when a vehicle is in the drivers blind spot. @Motor71, who actually has the bumper in use has confirmed that it indeed does this. No amount of video analysis or user manual diagram mark-ups will change that. If indeed the BSM indicator is lit when the passing vehicle is in the blind spot then job done and I’d say it is Definitely within operational tolerance.
     
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  13. Jan 27, 2021 at 7:08 PM
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    No offense to ANY posters because some great info has been shared but Can someone ask a mod to go ahead and lock this thread, I didn’t create this thread for drama. Too old and don’t have time for it.
     
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