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Trailer Toad - what do you guys think?

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by GODZILLA, Jan 16, 2021.

  1. Jan 16, 2021 at 5:02 AM
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    So, I had never had an actual name for these until they were mentioned in another thread. Instead of derailing I did a search, got nothing, and here we are.

    So, a Trailer Toad is a separate axle and hitch you pull behind a vehicle to keep the tongue weight and wear down. Neat concept, kind of like a drop axle on a semi truck/trailer, but applied through a tow hitch.

    There might be others, but I am just linking to the website (sorry it's a crappy site) for the brand "trailer toad" as a reference. They have two different models; neither is particularly cheap, but neither is a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.

    http://www.trailertoad.com/


    Has anyone every used one? Anyone ever see one in use? Thoughts and opinions on it?


    I'll go first: I've seen them before but never knew a name for them. Usually saw them behind some kind of RV. I Always thought it was neat, but never bothered to dig into them. Now that I am more inclined to tow things, I am wondering if this might be a way to pull a little heavier trailer than the Tundra's payload would normally allow. Nothing crazy, but something to just make the truck a wee bit more comfortable with some of the trailers that are right on the edge for tongue weights.

    Obviously I'd like feedback from our experienced towing gurus *looks meaningfully @ColoradoTJ * :boink:, but I'd also like to try and get our collective brain juices flowing on these. Please, tag anyone that you think can bring insight.

    The holy grail that lets us keep the Tundra reliability and still haul a livable travel trailer, or a stupid gimmick to part fools from their coin? What's your take?
     
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  2. Jan 16, 2021 at 5:16 AM
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    I like them a lot more now. The specific one you linked is very reasonably priced compared to others I’ve seen in the past (7-9k).

    Considering how most 1/2 ton and even 3/4 ton trucks have reduced payload ratings this could be a viable option.

    More tires on the ground...more maintenance. However, this could ensure you get the maximum towing capacity of someone’s truck.
     
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    That was kind of what I was thinking. You're dead on with added maintenance, and I hate paying for tires..... I do it, and I do it as often as necessary because bad tires = bad days, but I hate it. The toad would make some of those 600-700 tongue weight trailers an option for those who have people and gear that eats their payload, and it would certainly work for my application if it performs as advertised.

    Have you towed with one before, or do you know anyone who has?
     
  4. Jan 16, 2021 at 5:37 AM
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    To be honest, no. Commercially we had trailer dolly’s that are very similar in function.

    Let me switch to the laptop. My thumbs are tired from this morning. :D
     
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    All good. I've not used them or known anyone who has. I've just passed them on the road before. The concept doesn't seem too crazy or complicated, but I also have little to no knowledge about them. Sales ads and sites are hardly objective.
     
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    Very cool concept. It could help in a lot of applications, especially towing with a 1/2 ton. I do not think there would be any issue with forward movement, but do wonder how that extra attachment and set of wheels would behave when backing up
     
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    @NEProTRD you were the one that first mentioned/linked this in the other thread. Do you have experience with them?
     
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    I'm not 100% sure, but looking at this pic I think it's a rigid mount to the tow vehicle. If it is it should behave like backing the trailer with a longer vehicle to start with. Unless the wheels can turn at all. I can't be sure right off. I'll be continuing my research tonight if work is slow.

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    I checked and the toad can pivot in turns. there are two locking pins that you engage when you want to back up to stop the pivot- so it would then behave as a typical solid/straight trailer tongue.
     
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    Here is my honest opinion, pro's and con's:

    Cons:

    - Cost. This is relative though, considering how much trucks are these days. There's a big difference between 40-45K nicely loaded Tundra and what some newer trucks cost.
    - Maintenance. Three more tires, two more bearings (didn't look like brakes were on the trailer toad). Good thing is the tire size. These are the same size and rating on a lot of RV's and Cargo trailers 225/75/15 LR E
    - Storage and hookup. One more thing added to the mix.
    - Theft item once at destination and needing to unhook?

    Pro's:

    - Towing safely. This just takes away all the capacity problems.
    - Good thing is the tire size. These are the same size and rating on a lot of RV's and Cargo trailers 225/75/15 LR E. I had this in cons as well, but definitely a pro as well. When blowing out a tire on a trailer, there is a good chance the other tire gets damaged as well. Boom...have an extra spare tire.
    They offer different tire packages to fit most needs. For the guys that have 8 lug trailers they have you covered.
    - 5th wheel towing for 1/2 ton trucks. Huge pro! The downside is you can start getting pretty long on the overall length of the tow vehicle/trailer.
    - Towing in off camber situations. I'm sure most people have seen the dented bed sides on trucks from 5th wheel campers. This eliminates that completely. Just an FYI, 3 friends of mine have done this leaving RV parks or fuelling stations and not even on a dirt road. This usually cost some good amount of money to fix. Bed sides need replaced and more often than not, the tailgate. With all the fancy tailgates out there nowadays this could be a large claim. Here is a 5th wheel failure. This happened to a co-worker once. Complete new bed (he went with an aluminum flatbed).




    Other considerations that I don't have answers to:

    - Without tongue weight on the tow vehicle, this might make the rear end light and easy to spin tires. Wonder how snow/wet weather towing and how this would perform? I can spin my rear tires from a dead stop with 1000 lbs of tongue weight. Not hard to do, and I have a low HP/TQ truck in comparison to most diesels out today.

    - MPG increase due to stability? The differences between conventional and gooseneck/5th wheel towing in this department is amazing.

    I get the same (or close to within .5 mpg) towing this:

    9K lbs

    IMG_1648.jpg

    As I do towing this:

    15800 lbs

    IMG_2687.jpg

    This makes me wonder if having this trailer toad, if the reduced strain on the drivetrain and stability would help the gassers break into 10 mpg territory on bigger campers?




    Definitely not a new concept, but here are some other brands. Some of these out price themselves with getting a bigger truck.





    This one is in my parents home town in Canon City, CO. 3500.00



    Pretty cool options:

     
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    I suspect this is a stupid question but this wouldn't count as tandem towing, would it? In Alberta, that's only legal if your lead trailer is a fifth wheel/gooseneck and it's not legal at all in BC. I suspect these are fine but I'd hate to come across a picky highway cop who's decided these are dangerous...
     
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    That would be something to check on, for sure. :monocle: I'm not certain how things in Canadian Provinces work, but down here these kinds of questions are best directed to the Port of Entry for the state. Once I'm at work and have a computer to use I will dig around and see what I can find.
     
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    These look pretty neat. Pretty sure ive seen video evidence that a tundra can pull a space shuttle with one of these. Nobody tell Chris what a space shuttle weighs though :p
     
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    Damn thats pretty slick. That will let me run a cabover camper and still tow my crawler. Interesting that you hook your trailer up to the toad and then connect the toad to your truck.

    I havent found any info on what wheel bearings it uses, I am sure it somewhere but navigating that 90s era website gives me a headache.
     
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    My thought with it was being able to clear my kayaks sticking off the back of my truck with the travel trailer hooked up. Or being able to tow with the tailgate down with the 4 wheeler in the bed...
     
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    Well, the Trailer Toad website has authorized dealers in Ontario and Alberta listed. It's nothing definitive, but I think it would point to it being considered different than tandem.

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    I do not. I found them after trying to dream up my ultimate tow rig setup, where I had an RV towing an enclosed race car trailer, until I found out that RVs have problems with both total weight (being so heavy themselves) and tongue weight. This fixes at least one of those problems
     
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    Never used one or seen one. Great concept though. I love ingenuity! Tires, yeah, must have Michelin if possible here. Really sucks that they can make tires that will last a million miles, just don't because of the $$$. Look at aviation tires as an example. Superior to the crap they sell us. Personally, I don't see the need for big 30+feet travel trailers and slide outs plus more. I have a diy tiny home/travel trailer that can sleep well beyond ten people and its under 22' and under 9k with 150 gallons of fresh water, 1200 watts of solar, and two full propane tanks. It is all about using space wisely. No need for all the particle board and fiberglass crap here! And also no need for more than a half ton. Btw, love me some WY.
     
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    Yeah, I'm with you on not wanting a huge travel trailer, so staying under the tow rating is easy.

    The payload rating is another story. Once you've got a few things added to the truck, some gear in it, and passengers... that payload is the killer. Lots of the 20-25 foot trailers are just too heavy for the Tundra's payload.

    I've got a couple hundred pounds of armor on the truck, plus heavier wheels, and then you get into WDH and propane + battery and lots of trailers just have too much tongue weight.

    The trailer toad, or other things like it, take the payload for the truck and open up the options. Still not sure I'll run one, but I'd definitely get one before I ran way over my payload rating.
     
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    Modify tongue length, not hard to fix that problem.
     
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    The longer tongue makes it easier to back, pulls smoother, just make sure you keep adequate weight on the ball say 12%.
     
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    I don't have an issue with any trailer tongue lengths. I just have to watch the payload on the truck.
     
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    The longer tongue will reduce tongue weight so it does fix your payload issue
     
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    Find yourself a trailer that you can modify the tongue on to fit your payload limit. No toad needed.
     
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    Im sure you can have a trailer shop weld you up a tongue for much less money than the dolly device. However, if your able to buy and resale the toad at some point with less loss than the cost of tongue modification then buy the toad. Common sense.
     
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    This may be viable for some, but not for me. I try to alter the engineering on my vehicles as little as possible. The greater separation between the tow vehicle and the trailer would negatively impact aerodynamics and fuel economy as well. It's just not something I would be willing to do when there is a viable alternative.
     
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    Okay, spend on on the toad and the upkeep of it. Run the risk of several more moving parts failing. i will spend my money on gas and probably drive by a few others fixing their toad bearings or flat tire. No hard feelings, just saying my opinion.
     
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    That only helps you if you can't adjust your tongue weight in the first place. If you can adjust your tongue weight (think car hauler, toy hauler, moving shit around your travel trailer) then adding tongue length doesn't help since there's still a minimum threshold of tongue weight you want and that minimum level will still exceed the trucks capacity. It would seem like (from looking at the photos in this thread and nothing else) that this is like double towing and you say you have 1000lbs of tongue weight from the main tread on the toad, then the toad only needs like 200lbs of tongue weight from itself applied to the truck. So that drastically increases how much you can tow. I do agree with what you're saying of extending the tongue, but for some towing applications that doesn't really help anything (same affect as just moving the car further back on the trailer for example).
     
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    Guess again, moving weight around can lead to it moving behind the axles. Just not good. Plus no serious weight on the truck axle means less traction which is not exactly good either. I have pulled many trailers for many miles in all shapes, sizes, heavy, light, even way extra heavy, and no way am I going to fix what isn't broke with something else that will be broke. To each his own but OP asked for our opinions and I offered mine.
     
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    I understand that it won't be for everyone, and it's another axle to maintain, but that's not much of a deterrent. That is like saying a tandem axle trailer is inferior because it's got more maintenance than a single axle. An extra axle and the maintenance is fine if it has a purpose that makes it worthwhile to the user.

    That said, please don't turn this into another thread arguing about trailer loading. I'd really like to keep it to the thoughts on the trailer toad and whether or not anyone has experience with one. I'm just trying to get info ahead of time. It will be years before I think about a toyhauler, and it may never happen, but I thought it wise to see if anyone here has experience with a toad.
     
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