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Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by jfox, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. Jan 14, 2021 at 5:41 AM
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    When my router kits the bucket, I'm going with an ubiquity base and access points.
     
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    This is easy to check. Connect your PC/Mac directly to the modem and run a speed check. Any significant difference is due to your Eero.
     
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    They're pretty nice. I *will* say that if you're not a nerd by nature, you'll likely either want
    1. A set of directions
    2. To pay REALLY close attention to any included directions online
    3. To post in their support threads.
    To me, Ubiquiti is a step above companies like Mikrotik - they're pretty decent and definitely better than your standard home/consumer stuff, but you kinda have to know what you're doing, or else you'll just get ticked. But I've had their stuff since about January 2019, and the ONLY time I've ever had to reboot it was when patches were applied.
     
  4. Jan 14, 2021 at 6:27 AM
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    Wish I could. I don’t think any of our devices can be physically plugged into a Cat5. We’re all wireless.
     
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    Anyone know if I can turn off the WIFI on my Netgear Modem/Router combo to use the router of the mesh system? I really don't want to buy another modem if I can help it but it might not be as simple as it sounds.
     
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    I'm a bit of a nerd, but networking isn't really my jam.
    Our house builder put in a poe access point downstairs in the ceiling and i just disconnected it in our upstairs network cabinet. I looked around for a POE Asus AiMesh AP that would work with my router to give the downstairs a little bit of a boost, but it doesn't exist (only ones that plug into an outlet). I've thought about slapping an ubiquity AP there, but not sure how it would behave with my existing asus router.
     
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    Depends on if you want to 'manage' it or not. The way mine is set up is as follows:

    ISP router (bridged) > Ubiquiti USG > US-8-150W > Nano AP and In-Wall AP

    ISP router is bridged to let the USG (a router) log onto my ISP.

    USG is then wired to an 8-port switch in my living room, and all my stuff (PS5, Switch, TV, Sonos, etc.) is wired to it.

    Nano AP is wired to the 8-port switch and broadcasts WiFi.

    Ubiquiti In-Wall AP is also wired to the 8-port switch and broadcasts WiFi in our master suite.

    I do it this way simply because I wanted to be able to actually 'manage' everything, as my wife and I both WFH at least 50% of the time. For anything else, I believe you can use another AP with Asus. Might have to tweak power levels or something.

    https://community.ui.com/questions/...s-Router/c545ef95-aba9-4ec7-a279-3aad305c6aec
     
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    Same, we have the Deco mesh (M5). Like some others, it really helped my Ring camera system out in the garage.
     
  10. Jan 14, 2021 at 7:26 AM
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    Have wire throughout?
    - buy/wire access point to existing router, use same SSID/pw for seamless handoff, or
    - buy a mesh system, wired backhaul

    Can add wire?
    - do above, or try
    - centralizing a single powerful router

    Limited wire in one location?
    - wireless backhaul mesh the pucks in strategic locations, line of sight or put them with the least attenuation factors between pucks

    Some Asus routers offer mesh by buying another capable Asus router. Asus AiMesh 2.0 offers AP binding to help with sticky devices, those especially stationary ones that have no business attaching to weaker points. Not sure if eero, Nest pucks offer that.

    Personally I got an AX86U, put it in the middle of the house and get 5GHz range over 3300sq ft better than my old AC86U. Disabling Universal Beamforming helps. I did not buy it for WiFi6, although we do have a few devices that support it.
     
  11. Jan 14, 2021 at 7:29 AM
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    Echoing what has already been said on here - go with Ubitquiti (if you're into DIY electronics and like to have deeper control of your setup) or Netgear Orbi. I fall into the DIYer category normally, but I'm really tired of dicking with my home network after working my IT job all day... so I got this Orbi kit about 2 years ago and it's been fantastic: https://smile.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Whole-Home-System/dp/B07CQDHPFT/

    As far as wired vs wireless on mesh routers, wireless is quickly catching up, if not taking over what legacy (cat5e) networking can do. Maybe not in full-on reliability, but the real-world speeds with wireless AC are amazing. I can't speak for all mesh systems on the market, but Orbi's got a dedicated backhaul wireless connection that is a beast. My local network is 1Gbps+, and I have no issues with internet speeds in any room, or even outside (3000 sq ft one-story and a 11k sq ft lot).
     
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    Nice setup. That article is interesting. Looks like its possible, but kinda finicky. I would rather just go all ubiquity down the line.
    I kinda dread the day our router kicks the bucket and i do a ubiquity overhaul. I always feel under the gun, because just about EVERYTHING in the house relies on internet. Having the internet down is a travesty. lol

    One thing i've had in the back of my head, i have an ATT hotspot that i got for a great deal a few years ago, $20/mo for unlimited. I used it when i was in the office or when we take the trailer out, but that hasn't really happened lately. I've tried to see if i could pause my account, but att doesn't offer that (stupid imo). I dont want to give it up, so i was thinking about using the hotspot as a failover if the comcast internet goes down. i started to research it and play around with it, but it seemed like a pain. I would love to have the ability to have my outgoing traffic (plex) be going through the hotspot since my comcast gigabit upload speed is capped at 30up. It would also be awesome to be able to start to lean on the hotspot data if i'm getting close to the monthly data cap. Maybe i should look into pfsense.
     
  13. Jan 14, 2021 at 7:44 AM
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    Does anyone here have experience with Fortinet? I am almost finished configuring a Fortigate 60F for our company network and I really like all of the capability. I'm thinking about getting a FortiWifi 40F for my home network. The interface is not simplified like the home market routers by Netgear, Linksys, etc., but since I have to learn it anyway for work I may do it.

    I currently have a Netgear Nighthawk R8500 but it has started dropping wifi signals in the last few months. If my wife or I are on a Teams call for work or Navy when that happens, it can be VERY embarrassing - and it has happened at least twice. All the wired connections keep working - just the wifi drops out.

    Reviews of the Fortigate are hard to find since it is not geared toward home users. One thing that surprised me was, according to Fortinet, the radio is EITHER 5 GHz OR 2.4 GHz. It can't do both simultaneously. Since I have some older devices that are 2.4 GHz, I have to buy an extra access point to get the other frequency bands.

    Again, anyone here have experience with these?
     
  14. Jan 14, 2021 at 7:57 AM
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    I have this system as well. Absolutely love it! I got mine at Costco onsale so check your Sams/Costco to see what they have and hope for a sale. I was in the market for a new router and a new extender which would have cost about the same as the Orbi system and not been as smooth. I have 0 regrets about this set up.
     
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    I think I got mine on sale as well, around $250. Definitely was a huge improvement over the expensive gaming routers I tried before.
     
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    I broke my netgear low end gaming router when I moved. Was going to get a nighthawk and the gaming extender since we game and have a large footprint, the orbi was cheaper with the sale and it's such a smooth connection. I had a lower end extender before and it required a different internet name so you would have to switch what you connected to depending where you were. The orbi all being the same is amazing!
     
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    Have google/nest. Very very easy set up. Set it and I forgot it already. 1yr in
     
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    I use a fortiGate 60d firewall and 3 forti-waps that cover almost 2 acres with ease. They are enterprise level components that are dual radio (2.4 & 5g) and infinitely configurable. At any given time there 15-20 devices connected to my network and the FortiGate manages it no prob. It is not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Ultimately, it comes down to the configuration and policies you have to write to clean up the traffic and minimize polling device clogging. (Nest, Alexa, google, Siri, or whomever is listening in your home).

    I configured multiple isolated subnets for: 1. House hardwired, 2. House Wi-Fi, 3. Audio/video/ lighting/integration, and 4. security/surveillance/cameras. I also set up 4 different SSID Wi-Fi profiles to take control of and isolate every device and every user. The kids have a time scheduled profile, my wife and I have our own and a guest profile that is only active when I allow it. No matter who is streaming or browsing, everyone gets maximum throughput with seem less hand-offs, no cross traffic clogging and no disconnects. Plus I have the ability to filter all content and sites through the firewall, so kids/guests don't go somewhere they shouldn't.
    All in all, it takes some time to set up, but it will out perform most systems. For your old device you would write a policy and a profile in the firewall for that device to connect only to the 2.4 radio.
     
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    I’ve had great luck with the Google mesh system that I bought about a year ago. Install was very easy.

    My house is about 4000sf, 2 levels. The Google WiFi has never faltered, even with our kids doing at-home online learning, a home office that gets used 10-12 hours a day, and we all need consistent speed. Our house is fed with upgraded fiber.
     
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    Well, yeah. I mean, I could have left my ISP's WiFi modem/router alone the way it is and just disable WiFi, but as the old saying goes, jack of all trades and all that.

    Plus, as I mentioned, I'd rather be able to manage *everything* at once, so I just bridged the modem/router from the ISP, used Ubiquiti's router, and then got the other stuff I needed.

    It wasn't that bad to set it up, honestly; every manufacturer's stuff has it's quirks and such. There are tons of guides on how to out there. A bit finicky to set up, but if you've done any router/modem setup, and can follow directions, you can do it; and once it's set up, that's pretty much it. Anything past that is just tweaking settings. :) If you decide to go that way, let me know and I'd be glad to answer questions and stuff.
     
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    I actually did this with my Asus RT-AC68U. (Fun fact: The "TMobile hotspot modem" they sold a while back was just a rebadged Asus RT-AC68U, which could be bought for like $49, despite the RT-AC68U itself going for like $150-$220 at the time.)

    I had some issues with it slowing down my network; it came down to a setting called 'Airtime Fairness' or something. In short, it basically devoted a bit of every second to everyone who needed access (every client). If wasn't as nice as it sounded, however....if you had one REALLY freakin' slow client, it'd slow everything down.

    So I went with Ubiquiti...and discovered, for some reason, that while I'd get 40Mbps or so using my ISP's modem/router with the two AC-68Us.....when I replaced everything with Ubiquiti, I'd get 65Mbps or so. In short, the consumer routers were actually limiting my speeds.

    Bonus: Whenever I call my ISP, they know I have business-class networking equipment, and no longer ask me if I've 'unplugged the modem/router' or any of that crap. It's so reliable that if it goes down...either the kid accidentally unplugged something, or it's the ISP's equipment. LOL
     
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    AirTime fairness should already be Disabled on default Asus firmware. Those who have Asus routers, there is a large support group on snbforums down to particular models and Merlin firmware. However as you experienced, enterprise no fuss access points are sometimes all you need and the cheaper/reliable way to go.
     
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    I have 6 of the Google WiFi (not Nest version) pucks around my house and the setup has been working great. Granted, I don't play video games but it still works solid with 9 Ring cameras around the property, laptop use, and streaming Netflix on the TV. I have 6 pucks because I have them at far corners of the house -- and a sixth is like outside 50 feet from the front door -- to cover my whole house lot (~.5 acre) with connection.

    It's super simple to setup and just works. The only downside is it isn't WiFi version 6 but I don't think anyone really needs that unless you have a larger family and multiple people are streaming AND playing video games at the same time. Plus, W6 setups are still crazy expensive. I'm just waiting until Google releases a W6 version of their mesh setup in a few years.
     
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    I just bought a 3pack of eero 6 pros (figured my Ring will already be spying on me, so in for a penny, in for a pound on the evil tech overlords. At least it isn't facebook or google...)

    So far the devices connected are good. I have a bunch of wired stuff in the same cabinet as my ISP's router/wifi and it's hit and miss weather they're picked up as part of the network. I want to stream music from the household's phones to the appletv or directly to the denon receiver. My new iPhone can see the denon but not the apple tv. My wife's also new iphone can't see either. I don't care what sees the kids xbox... lol.

    My work laptop can't see the new system at all. It's dual-band ac so wifi 5ish but it's at least new enough that it should see the damn thing and be able to connect.

    I prefer wired when possible so I don't want to connect everything through the wifi if I don't have to but there's only one spot left on the eero for inputs (the other is the one going into the isp's router.)

    So, I need to figure out how to get my work laptop to see it (and be able to connect), the wires to remain where they are but still be able to switch my router into bridge mode and get rid of the old wifi altogether, and make all my devices work with all my other devices.

    Why do I do this to myself?
     
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    So... which system is shelling out your DHCP addresses? It kinda sounds like you might have multiple devices with overlapping IPs, depending on whether the Eero or ISP router is responding first. But it's tough to say without more info. Best bet would be switching your ISP's router to bridge mode, like you mentioned.
     
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    Which is odd, because I've dealt with numerous of these (several people @ work had them). Literally every single one of them, including mine, had it enabled. :confused:
     
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    My old Asus had it enabled, as well. That was one of my many complaints about that router...
     
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    Sounds like a Quality of Service setting. I ve ran accross a setting like that in the past. It can become a real bottleneck. It s like your system is only as fast as the slowest device connected. Wifi standards are definately part of the puzzle.
     
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    It is. *If* your devices essentially are the same (as in, same speed), theoretically it shouldn't affect much. ("Theoretically" lol) Ostensibly Airtime Fairness is supposed to be useful if you have some *really* slow stuff on your network; it is supposed to stop that stuff from hogging all the bandwidth/time.

    What it actually did on my network was

    - decrease network stability
    - slow down EVERYTHING moderately
    - and annoy the crap out of me LOL

    Other manufacturers handle it better, I think. And in all honesty I've got nothing against Asus - aside from that, their routers (and laptops) have been rock solid for me. I just chose to go with more of a small business path and it worked out. :)
     
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    You could be right, I just don't remember touching that switch. Unless AX86U firmware has it Disabled now. From RMerlin Nov/20:

    "In the wifi settings, make sure you also disable Airtime Fairness - I've seen a lot of devices having problems with that, especially on the 2.4 GHz band. Can't recall if Asus finally changed that to be disabled by default (we've had talks about it in the past).

    Also, stick to WPA2/Personal. Some devices seem to have issues if authentication on the router is set to both WPA2/WPA3."
     

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