Blackstone Labs.. Their thoughts on the best oil for 5.7?

Exactly.

 

Totally True if youre looking for an oil that is "good enough" ,
not looking to get into a pissing match , just giving my opinions regarding oils and that they are not all the same , and some are much better than others.
If you care about what goes into your engine , read, ask, watch, learn , then decide decide for yourself what is the best oil for your application.
Or if you dont want to do any thinking, just take it to the dealer or your local quickie oil change and say change the oil , it will work for your application.

And youre right, "it doesnt really matter" if you dont care about the oil you use , but im the type of person if theres something better out there, im going to check it out, and possibly use it, or at least do some research on it

im sure there are many videos out there on various engine oils, and everyone will all say theirs is superior , so dont want to get into a "my video link is better than yours" .
but just stumbled upon this when i did a quick search , and it is informative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA6L6KOSBuE

 

That's good to know. Once I hit 5K with my current M1, I'm going to send off a sample.

 

A video from an Amsoil dealer seems hardly unbiased. Amsoil Signature is a great product. What seems to be really difficult for Amsoil evangelists to understand is that there are other products that are nearly as good, equally as good, or better.

 

As good and much cheaper.

Queue up the standard Amsoil devotee response - "If you want to be cheap with the oil you use go ahead but....."

I went down this rabbit hole years ago...the search for magic unicorn tears. Once you go down that hole and make your way through the OBJECTIVE evidence you inevitably find what most people who do this find...Amsoil seems to be really good oil, but we still have no idea what is really in it, and MANY other oils are just as good for much less.

 

That's true but we do have a member here that did go 20K on Amsoil and Blackstone responded to try for 25K! Crazy but true. The 20K results from Blackstone were quite impressive to say the least. I will stick with M1. I hope to extend changes to 7K at first. All depends on my Blackstone results. I have 2K miles to go to hit 5K to go on this oil change. I average less than 10K miles a year. My 14 had 105K miles when I bought it last July 4th. I'm at 113,925 now. I'm 64. I figure if I'm still here at 74..... I'll only have 205K miles. Still peanuts! Heh...heh...

 

@Black Wolf at your usage I’d look at annual oil changes using M1 EP or Amsoil Signature, possibly even TGMO

 

I'm definitely considering switching to the M1 EP. Nothing wrong with that Amsoil either! I check my dipstick every weekend. Some members every night....har...har..
My oil at 3K is still clear. Only a slight hint of discoloration which is good...

 

By the way...where in the hell is Spoolston??

 

I used to be one of the synthetic check your oil with oil analysis. Now I just change it every 5k miles. My 2004 dodge Cummins had 220k with Dino oil 15w40 valvoline or chevron Delo. 2005 Duramaxx with Schaffer’s Synthetic 15w40 synthetic( the one I tested all the time). Two Toyota’s with TGMO 0w20. Had them tested every 5k miles by the lab the city I work for uses. All my samples were always within range. What I came to learn from this is change your oil with what weight is recommended and the mechanical parts of your engine will be fine. On a side note I used Amsoil in the duramaxx and found more valve train noise. Oil is oil, seriously you can claim this and that but in the end you just need to change it based on Manufacturers recommendation and your usage.

 

I guess I should say any quality oil of the specified weight will work in our trucks.

 

Houston, where giant industrial spools fall off tractor trailers strangely often

 

Only to your wallet man. If you are good with it that's great but please read Blackstone's quote above. They have no reason to promote or have any bias, unlike your Amsoil guy. If you use the proper viscosity with the proper certification, your engine will perform just fine.

 

You know another line of thought here. Do you look at the other maintenance items on your truck and address them like you do the oil. Change your air filter because it it leaks due to a bad seal you can see silicon levels in oil. Found this in one of my oil analysis tests. Look at your differentials oil levels transfer case as well. Performing Regular maintenance will increase the longevity of your vehicle. Oh yes and spark plugs. Sorry I’m an old diesel fruit loop. Can’t get the smell out of my nose.

 

"If you use the proper viscosity with the proper certification, your engine will perform just fine."

That is a very true statement that no one is disputing .
That is something an 80yr old lady working the oil isle in walmart can tell you,
Most people are just fine with that; proper viscosity, proper certification, and proper change intervals.

But if youre looking for a better performing oil, they do exist .

 

Objectively define “better”. Better advertising? Amsoil provides no info in their SDS and no real objective data other than their own tests results. They say they’re great but so do a lot of companies. Longer lasting? What does that mean to someone who does 5-10k OCI? Better wear protection? I’ve seen no evidence Supertech isn’t just as good as Mobil 1 EP (70% PAO in 0W-20) or Amsoil (unknown % PAO). Placebo effect that makes you feel “better”? Fine, but let’s be honest about what we’re talking about then. There is no objective data supporting the superiority of any one brand/product within a given spec. There just isn’t...

 

Give it up man, you’ll never convince them. The cult of Amsoil exercises a powerful grip on their acolytes. Fanboys gotta fanboy.

 

This is starting to remind me of the Intel vs AMD debates I see on other forums.

I doubt anyone’s gonna really switch sides based on what anyone says here.

 

What can I say...sometimes I'm a glutton for punishment.

 

This is interesting. But like politics, and religion, it usually doesn't change anyone's mind.

For my street cars I have used a number of oils. For the Chevy I put on the track (road courses) I tend to be more selective.

Racing oil is for racing and I don't use it when on the street. I also put a lot of thought into the oil filter, which hasn't been mentioned.

Size of the canister is one factor. The size of the micros it filters is another. By pass is another. When I time trial the car at NJMS or another track, I tend to run a WIX 51060R filter and Racing oil. The racing filter can flow 28 GPM but will only stop particles down to 61 micro. The street oil filter flows 9 - 11 GMP (vs 28 GPM) for filtration size down to 21 micros

Seems they trade off flow (9 - 11 GMP vs 28 GPM) for filtration size 21 micros vs 61 micros. Again, I use the oil and filter for the day and then drain and refill.

Does anyone off-road race their Tundra? Do you do anything different?

 

OK, don't post up a video then. Provide some research other than a marketing video.

 

Asked one of my friends who's really into this type of stuff about the Amsoil PAO content and this was his response (but he interpreted my question as why he switched from Redline to Amsoil despite Amsoil's lower moly content and unknown PAO content so it might read a bit strangely in this context):

"AMSOIL is much cleaner than Red Line HP.

PAO by itself is not useful as it is not polar and hence will not accept additives. Esters supply the polarity to gain solvency but also an Ester and PAO blended make a pretty slippery package. We really could not afford a largely Ester oil and it would have its own issues such as seals.

Both AMSOIL and Red Line are PAO/Ester blends. AMSOIL is a Diester and Red Line a Polyol Ester. NPG to be exact. Tomato....tomahto in practical terms. AMSOIL uses more Boron and Red Line favors Moly. They use different tools to do the same task and both work.

Red Line from my source costs me just under $10 USD a quart then I either pay shipping ($40) or drive down and get it myself, which costs gas, time and wear and tear on my truck. AMSOIL is delivered free next day and costs around a quarter a quart less. Net/net I save about $50 a case and I use a lot of it with five cars/trucks and several motorcycles.

I've seen the GCs on both oils. Nearly the same proportions of base oils.

I haven't been too pushy about this but clean oil is just as important as the right oil and the right asd pack. The two cleanest oils I know of currently are AMSOIL and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum."

 

Yet Amsoil does not share any of this information publically. Unless your friend wants to share the chromatographs this is just more Amsoil lore....

 

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