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Transfer case oil for Borg Warner

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Marco, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. Nov 6, 2019 at 11:05 AM
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    That’s what I’m using in my truck right now. So far so good!
     
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    I'm running the $18/liter Ravenol in my T Case and have no issues. M1 75w90 in front and rear diffs. To be honest, the Tcase oil was like new when I changed it at around 40k miles.
     
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    Dude how many gallons do you want? My Toyota dealer can drop ship it to you. Yes it costs. So does owning a Tundra.
    Diffs and transfer cases are absolutely servicable.
     
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  4. Nov 7, 2019 at 9:05 AM
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    Just an update, the 75W that my local shop was able to get is Bilstein, however, it's not synthetic. I passed, and ordered the Ravenol.

    On a side note, the 75w90 is a slightly thicker (more viscious) oil than straight 75W. I live in So Cal, specifically Santa Clarita, where it's over 100 degrees at least 4 months out of the year. Hell, even our xmas' are usually in the 60's. Just wondering if any one would agree that the 75W90 is likely better for the climate I'm in. Two mechanics have now told me that the 75W is more of a winter blend oil because it's thinner and that the 75W90 would work just fine for my particular situation. Just looking for opinions from the more educated masses on here.
     
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  5. Nov 7, 2019 at 9:47 AM
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    How many miles on your truck and how often are you using 4WD? Every post I've seen on here regarding changing the t-case oil reported the fluid looked new and contained no debris. Assuming I don't have any problems (it has worked flawlessly for 3yrs and 39k) I don't plan on changing the t-case oil until the recommended 90k miles.
    On the other hand, people have reported problems shifting in and out of 4WD (and other issues) using thicker oil so I don't recommend it. I'm guessing you aren't running 0-30 in your engine so I don't know why you would go thicker than recommended for other fluids. If 75-90 was the right choice for oil it would be listed that way in the manual as was done for pre 2014 Tundras.

    Here is what Toyota says to use -
    https://www.sparksparts.com/oem-parts/toyota-transfer-gear-oil-lf-0888581080
     
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    AZboat, I do not disagree with you. Just thinking out loud. Bought my truck used in July 2019 with 65K, certified pre-owned. I'm assuming they changed it, but I'm not going to put that much trust in the dealer. I only use my truck for hunting and camping, nothing crazy. Rarely use 4wd even when hunting. Used it twice this entire deer season. I did the rear diff right before deer season started, and will be doing front diff and t-case this weekend. At least I know they won't need it likely for several years, since I only drive it about 4-5K miles a year.

    I'll be using the Ravenol 75W, but was just wondering since I (like you) live in a hotter climate and since the 75W is considered by at least two mechanics as a winter blend. In Cali...we have no "winter".... ha ha
     
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  7. Nov 7, 2019 at 10:07 AM
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    I hear you and understand the logic, but at the same time there has to be a reason Borg and Toyota chose an oil that does NOT thicken at operating temp. Using straight 75W was a conscious decision the engineers made and given the oil analysis (loaded with additives) I am not comfortable using a substitute.

    If the industry was confident using 75-90 would not cause any issues, Lucas, Royal Purple, Mobile 1 and the rest would market their products as suitable alternatives. RP claimed its SynchroMax oil was suitable for a short period of time but has since reversed course on that claim.

    With how expensive these trucks are and how much money we all spend modifying and maintaining our trucks, I don't understand skimping out on a 90k maintenance item to potentially save $150 over the life of the vehicle.
     
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  8. Nov 7, 2019 at 11:42 AM
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    I hear you AZ. I'm using the Ravenol, which is similar spec but is synthetic. I think this is a 30k mile service, not 90k though. Regardless, I do mine every couple years and likely will be changing to OEM the next time around.
     
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  9. Nov 7, 2019 at 12:01 PM
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    The 30k interval is for trucks that are primarily used on dirt roads or for upload_2019-11-7_12-59-38.jpg towing/hauling.
     
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    AZ, "With how expensive these trucks are and how much money we all spend modifying and maintaining our trucks"...I don't mind doing mine every other year (which for my truck is about every 10k miles). I primarily use mine for hunting and camping, so about 90 percent of my truck's use is on dirt roads.
     
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  11. Nov 13, 2019 at 7:19 PM
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    What was the result of you asking the service manager for the bulletin from Toyota?
     
  12. Nov 20, 2019 at 3:47 PM
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    Toyota actually sent their dealerships literature on the Tundra refresh with information noting the change to the powertrain. Within those was the note and comment about fluid. If one was to also look up the information on the Toyota service website, cannot recall the name but one has to pay for access, there are notes/comments and literature noting a fluid change there as well.

    What I did was call all my immediately local dealers and ask them cost for service and what fluids were used. None of which stated anything about 75w fluid. So I worked closely with my dealer that I deal with. They acknowledged the mistake, apologized and made it right with re-doing the service. Now when one calls for their 4x4 device, it's not longer the nominal $150ish cost, it's much higher due to the cost of the straight weight fluid.

    I'd have to search pretty hard to find all the documentation that I previously pulled up, paid for. If necessary, I could invest some time and try.
     
  13. Nov 20, 2019 at 3:55 PM
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    I had my transfer case replaced under warranty at 8k miles, 3k miles if they would have listened sooner and not given me the runaround. Seeing the bill....I'll stick with the relatively small investment from using a proper weight/spec fluid.
     
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    Stand by there might be another option for transfer case fluid.....
     
  15. Nov 20, 2019 at 6:01 PM
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    https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-lv-70w75w

    So I'm still on the fence personally if I consider this a valid option or not.

    The website says it's a 75 weight LF Toyota spec... but the front of the bottle and the actual back of the bottle that you hold in your hand both say LV.
     
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    If there’s any issues it says right there it’s compatible with LF, the LV just stands for low viscosity.

    5ECCF9EB-02C5-4A66-B08A-C8D19802EC2B.jpg
     
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    Thank you.....looks like I overlooked that tab.
     
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    Not sure you should use this in the transfer case. The picture says it is manual transmission gear oil. The Toyota 75W oil is specifically marked for transfer cases only.

    So, for the above picture, the viscosity is correct, but don't know whether it is a reasonable substitute for the OEM transfer case oil...
     
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    So as my post above that stated,
    "So I'm still on the fence personally if I consider this a valid option or not."

    But as JS18Tundra noted, it calls it to be a like fluid for the specific LF 75w OE part number.

    The Ravenol J1C1003 is also classified as an MTF. I, as well as numerous others, have been running the Ravenol issue free.

    Again, we are all just here talking. The end result is, it's your truck and you should run what you are comfortable with.
     
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    Well, just ordered the redline mt-lv as I feel like it has a better additives package than Ravenol, so we will see if the lack of unicorn jizz in the factory fluid will lock up my transfer case
     
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    If I’m not mistaken, Toyota has teamed up with Ravenol in Germany. Apparently ravenol is very popular over there.
    I was at the Toyota dealership just today where I bought my 21 tundra. I asked about the price on a litre (no quarts?) of the 75w. $88 per!
    The guy brought out one of those old school tin cans of oil. Said Toyota 75w on it. I ain’t gonna buy it but the can was cool. Had to keep a can opener in the tool box back then.
     
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    I bought them from Amazon last year the 85 and the 75 in the cool barrel cans.expensive.
     
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    Appreciate the suggestions. I can still remember way back in the olden days seeing a can opener in my dads toolbox, may he Rest In Peace.

    I see old school land cruisers now and then but they are definitely rare. None at the dealership.

    Transmission cooler:
    My ‘21 tundra didn’t come with a trans cooler nor did the ‘19 or ‘20s.

    So, I bought a cooler kit but am having trouble finding an easy to use, keyword is “easy” device that’ll accurately read the trans temp. I bought a thermal gun for around $25 but the readings are ambiguous at best. Not going to use it. Then I was talked into a veepeak OBD2 $48 on Amazon after taxes and shipping. Then I had to download the obdfusion app $10. I just got done checking out the OBD2 in my truck using my iPhone and it’s pretty cool. Turns out it has everything BUT trans/torque converter temps! but they will sell me the enhancement upgrade that supposedly does. I haven’t downloaded the fusion enhancement upgrade ($15).
    The instructional video for using the upgrade is normal, meaning the geek showing how it’s done goes as fast as he can clicking from screen to screen up, down, back and forth. He lost me after about 10 seconds. Pretty useless for me.

    So, I sent an email to obdfusion asking for written easy to understand instructions and if the upgrade has the trans fluid temp read outs.
    They’re probably still choking from laughing so hard...written instructions?! What’s that?!?

    Before I waste any more money I’d appreciate any feedback on this y’all may have. Keep the old guy jokes to a minimum. Ha! Ha!
     
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    OBD fusion is easy to use and set up. Well worth it, matter of fact, since I installed the cooler, I don't use it. I would think the 10 app goes with it? 25 bucks shipped to you if interested @Dirtytruck ?
     
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    What’s the 10 app?
     

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