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Towing a Bobcat

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by Bdoiski, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. Nov 8, 2019 at 5:17 PM
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    Has anyone towed a Bobcat/skid steer with their Tundras?
     
  2. Nov 8, 2019 at 5:29 PM
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    I do fairly regularly. No problems at all with my 5.7 with tow package. Good luck!
     
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  3. Nov 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM
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    what trim package is your 2011? Also, what style back doors?
     
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    I'm looking to buy a 2018 limited 4x4 crewmax and wanting to haul my bobcat with it. What I am finding is the Toyota says it can only haul 8900lbs. but my tractor is 7800 alone, not including the trailer. Just trying to find out if anyone has any problems or if I need to start looking for something different that can haul more.
     
  5. Nov 8, 2019 at 10:57 PM
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    I have not. But my cousin towed a backhoe with his 2nd gen.

    If it was me, and I was going to tow 8k load on a regular basis like as part of my work - I wouldn't be looking at a Tundra, I'd be looking at a superduty. If its just occasional, like around town and not at highway speeds, I personally wouldn't worry at all about exceeding the rated capacity by a little. I wouldn't tow a backhoe though.

    Keep in mind the rated capacity is going to be based on performance and safety towing at highway speeds.
     
  6. Nov 9, 2019 at 9:32 AM
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    Thank you for your response. I only plan on hauling this tractor on a needed basis so it won't be regularly.
     
  7. Nov 14, 2019 at 8:12 AM
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    I've towed a Bobcat 743 (4600 lbs) and a Kubota tractor before on flatbeds. The trick was always getting them loaded to the correct tongue weight. The rear leafs are fairly supple on the Tundra so squat was always an issue. Just installed some Firestone airbags to help manage the squat. The big concern I always have is getting the loading right to ensure proper braking. The powertrain has no problems pulling but it's the stopping that can be a killer.
     
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  8. Nov 14, 2019 at 8:40 AM
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    The smaller Bobcats are just fine for the Tundra.

    bc.jpg

    Keep in mind some of the Bobcat weights:

    S450 5027 lb
    S570 6480 lb
    S630 7610 lb
    S850 10237 lb
     
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  9. Nov 14, 2019 at 10:21 AM
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    Going back to the comment about getting a Superduty vs Tundra. If the 5.7 can pull the weight just fine but breaking is the issue... how is the brakes on the Superduty product any different? Do those trucks come with 'special' brake packages designed for hauling heavy loads?? i'm guessing they do but i'm wondering about the specifics around the breaking issue. i see a lot of comments here about Tundra breaking being weak under heavy load so i'm wondering about differences. And... i don't haul heavy loads, i'm just curious. Even without heavy load, the Tundra breaking seems a little soft from time-to-time. My 2001 Tundra stopped better (but i'm sure was lighter..)
     
  10. Nov 14, 2019 at 10:31 AM
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    Superduty has a heavier, free floating rear axle, thick frame, longer wheelbase (with crew cab)
     
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  11. Nov 14, 2019 at 10:34 AM
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    It's the weight distribution. If you have too much tongue weight then weight applied to the front axle is actually reduced and those are the most potent brakes for the Tundra. Some of this is suspension and some is the sizing of the brakes. A 3/4 to 1 ton truck have much stronger brakes on the rear axle which will have a much greater affect on braking while towing. Using the stock hitch, every pound of tongue weight will remove some weight from the front axle.
     
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    This is the reason goose neck towing numbers are higher than tongue pull numbers
     
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    Some of these HD-style trucks advertise towing up to 30,000 lbs or more. More than 3x's what the Tundra can tow (except for towing the Spaceship).
     
  14. Nov 14, 2019 at 11:17 AM
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    I can compare apples to apples for you here, because I have had both, I had a '98 12v cummins prior to my tundra and I cant tell that the cummins pulled my tractor or any of the vehicles or equipment that I've hauled any better than my tundra does now. The only difference is the torque rating a diesel has compared to a gas engine. I did lift my tundra 4" but I always use an extra leaf spring in the rear for lift not a block, I don't know how much but this has to help with towing/weight capacity I would think. Like they said above tongue weight of the trailer is critical too, I don't think the braking is any better than my cummins had either, the only thing I think that might be a helping factor of stopping is the weight of the truck alone. Anyone know the weight of the tundra? says on the internet the weight of the tundra is about 5,000lbs? I know for certain my cummins weighed 7,200lbs on the scales. so there is a decent weight difference in them. A brake controller is also your best friend on either way you go. I wouldn't be scared to hook to a bobcat with my tundra though. Hope this helps.

    I also have good friend that frequently tows his gooseneck 3-horse horse trailer with living quarters loaded with all necessities for a weeks worth of camping with his 2nd Gen Tundra. He hauls it about 2 hours from his home when he goes camping too. He has never had any issues with that.
     
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    I get tired of all the payload/towing numbers game. If you have any experience towing you know almost immediately after you start to tow somthing if it's safe or not. I've hooked up 13k to the back of my tundra because both of our company f250s were down. I kept the truck under 45 and stayed on back roads because I knew that load wasn't safe above those speeds. I also tow my 6k lbs land crusier on a 2k lb trailer 3 hours one way and over a grade, without taking out my decked system or all my tools. The point is know your equipment and use your better judgment. I've seen 3/4 trucks pulling 5k lbs that were far less safe than my tundra pulling 10k lbs.
     
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    Well said. Trailer size compared to payload to be hauled is important, how you load said trailer, and how you attach everything is important as well. Whether or not the truck will pull it never gives me any doubt.
     
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    Have you towed with a more modern HD truck?
     
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    What do you mean by more modern?
     
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    Like 2011 or newer?
     
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    Engine/tranny brakes; which take the load off the actual brakes. There’s nothing like cresting the top of Vail pass towing 20,000lbs and all you have to do is get the truck to 65 and it’ll stay doing 65mph the entire way down the mountain without touching the brake pedal.
     
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    My cummins was a manual so I did have a little control over the engine back pressure. Yes I have also towed with newer trucks that were "HD" but I wouldnt be scared to do any of the stuff I did with my cummins with my tundra was the main thing I was getting at.
     
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    Interesting that your Cummins had 215hp/440tq and the Tundra matches that pretty good, except for the size and weight. Did you do anything to your 12V? I helped build a few compound turbo 12V pull trucks.

    I was just checking on what you thought of the newer models. I was blown away on what even 10 years of technology and the differences.
     
  23. Nov 17, 2019 at 2:59 PM
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    I dyno’d it at 260HP and 650ft-lb it had 75hp(ish) injectors don’t know exact size of them and stock hx35 turbo. The tundra specs are close to that, I think about 350hp and 400ft-lb?
     
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    Pretty good numbers.

    Tundra 381/401
     
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    I tow my tractor and a pretty big trailer for work on a fairly regular basis... it’s a 2019 SR5 CM 4X4 and is almost constantly loaded down. Honestly, I wont (and haven’t) even bothered to unhook the trailer most nights. Guesstimate is the trailer and gear averages 6500#. It does fine. That said, if I was towing near the limit all the time, I’d probably be looking at one of the HD domestics.
     
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