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Spark plug blew out, stuck in NE how to fix

Discussion in '1st Gen Tundras (2000-2006)' started by kz195688, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. Oct 19, 2019 at 11:54 AM
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    Things like this are why I quit washing my engine bay
     
  2. Oct 19, 2019 at 11:55 AM
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    My first car as a 20 year old just out of the Army in 1970. Cute, but I came to dislike it because of the lack of power steering, a real chore to crank the wheel at speeds near a crawl. My first car to work on as well and it made out quite well during my ownership as I was working as an apprentice auto shop machinist where I got my parts at cost. New exhaust from the headers back, new u joints, new brakes, etc. We had just received a new valve guide milling machine that would cut new guides and seats so I ported a matched pair of 302 heads that my boss gave me, replaced the exhaust valve seats with Stellite seats, installed new regular seats for the intake valves, drilled out the valve guides and replaced with new ones, went and drilled those new guides and installed bronze wool bushings in them and applied some new (Teflon?) valve stem seals. New springs, new valves (I believe I replaced the exhaust valves with sodium filled valves - no longer certain except that they were slightly oversize) and shaved both heads. They were a work of art to me, but I never installed them on my Mustang. Instead I traded them to a New Jersey cop for a 650cc Triumph Tiger motorcycle, forget the year but it was probably 4 - 5 years old.

    Back to the point you made, I never did use those thread locks or anti-seize products on the Mustang, only when required in the shop and that was mainly a special spray-on lubricant we used during engine assembly (sun-something I think, it nags at me not remembering for it was real good stuff).

    I did use the anti-seize when installing my Denso spark plugs in my Tundra, per Toyota recommendation a couple months ago. Sure hope that wasn't a mistake, as alluded to by PHM.
     
  3. Oct 19, 2019 at 1:42 PM
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    I would suggest to replace the plug with the helicoil more often, I had to have one installed in my 1984 prelude 28 years ago, and it seized in the engine, could not back it off.
     
  4. Oct 19, 2019 at 2:21 PM
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    ??? How is that related?
     
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    Good on ya KZ. Good follow up story. Festers beers are on the house tonight. Marbles said he’d pick up the tab.
     
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    Ha! Surely I mentioned that Marbles is a Scot. He's so cheap that he has never bought a round for anyone, hell his dates usually had to pay their own tab, sometimes his. Not so much a cheap gigolo as is the fact that he is a staunch supporter of equal rights, especially when the check comes.
     
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    Kind of a long story. But I used to wash my Dodge engine bay fairly often. It had spark plugs that were deep down inside the heads similar to the 4.7L. I gave the truck to my mom and recently went to change the spark plugs for her. Water had gotten down past the coils and O-rings and corroded the spark plugs in place. I can only attribute that to me introducing water and it getting down there and messing things up. Luckily I was able to remove and replace but it was sketchy. I did stick a vacuum down the spark plug holes to suck out any loose rust. Quite a few of the spark plugs were very gummed up when I was removing them. I was sure the threads were going to be wasted.
     
  9. Oct 19, 2019 at 11:27 PM
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    Not to highjack the thread from the OP but @marbleville
    Until buying my 1st gen I owned a 97 ford f-150 which had the 5.4 triton v8 known to be an offender of 'spitting' plugs.
    The first few generations of the engine were spec'd to have the plugs tightened to 17ftlbs. they also were not built with enough threads to properly hold the plugs in the plug cylinder. By 2000 they had fixed this design flaw. Ford later put out a TSB stating that plugs in the offending engines should instead be torqued to 27ftlbs. This solved the problem. So if the wife's expedition is newer than 99 I would say you'll be fine using anti-seize and torquing to spec. If older torque to 27ftlbs. My truck spit a plug and that's what brought me to learn all this. I helicoiled and then torqued remaining plugs to 27ftlbs. No problems for 30k miles then sold truck.

    Back to the OP's issue the plug cylinders for my ford were very narrow and tough to access. I used a helicoil tool that was designed to fit a 3/8 ratchet or extension (pictured). The end of the tool that the extension will fit in is no bigger than a standard spark plug socket and was able to fit into the cylinder and cut new threads. If you use this tool you'll need a helpful insert as the threads will then be too large for a spark plug. Use high temp thread locker on the insert and then anti-seize on the plug itself. The one I installed on my ford held up fine to me removing the plug more than once.15715524148681696363978.jpg 1571552483468351274611.jpg

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    P.S. I had to go to several auto parts stores to find this tool as most only had the one that's too large to fit in the cylinder

    @marbleville when you do the expedition I recommend removing the plugs with engine still warm. This seems to allow the plugs to come out easier and prevents them from breaking off. Which is another common problem with the triton engines
     
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    @Sangre Kid ...Thanks for the info - it falls in line with what I found at the Ford Expedition forum...Torque to 25 ft.lbs., use anti-seize, gap plugs at .054, and use dielectric grease on coil's bottoms. BTW: it is a 1999 Eddie Bauer and I hate Fords! They shoved the :censored: engine back under the fire wall to a great extent to punish us. I have to crawl up into the engine bay to work on those plugs in the back. I'm 69 years old and that is quite a climb, especially trying to get back out.:mad:

    Hell, the only reason I bought the Ford was they are the only vehicle the wife hasn't killed before the odometer reaches 150,000 miles (sitting at 230,000) - not my first Ford for her, and forget the imports. She likes to roll them. And walk away unscratched every time. Broads! If I could cook I'd be a bachelor.:sandwich:
     
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    I know exactly what you mean about the Ford! That engine is a well designed bulletproof tank of a poweplant. The problem is that Triton allowed Ford to use it, and Ford then crammed it back into the engine bay of its trucks with no thought to the poor sap that has to maintainence it. This is the very thing that brought me to Toyota and my 1st gen. Other car companies design cars for the guy who will drive it for the first 100k. Toyota makes them thinking that guy and the guy driving the thing at 300k might very well be the same guy!

    Love my 1st gen tundra.
     
  13. Oct 21, 2019 at 6:22 PM
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    Bump to see if OP made it home.
     
  14. Oct 22, 2019 at 5:41 PM
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    Sorry for the late response. Yes, we made it home on Sunday at about 7:30 pm. I had finished fixing the truck on Saturday and started driving at about 11:00 am. We drove to Peru, Illinois and stayed the night. We got up at about 3:30 am and secured the FWC and started the truck. It ran kind of rough and had a slight ticking sound. I removed the coil and the spark plug from the helicoiled cylinder. I had the wife start the truck for a few seconds and turned it off and started it again to help blow any residue from the cylinder. I replaced the plug and coil and then started it again. Believe it or not it sounded a lot better. We ran premium gas on the 800 mile plus drive home. Runs great now. No ticking sound and runs smooth.

    Thanks to everyone for the information and interesting responses. Do yourselves and family (including furry friends) a favor and check your spark plugs especially if you did not do the plugs yourself. Be safe.
     
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    You stopped about 10 minutes from my hometown! If you're ever back in North Central Illinois, check out Starved Rock State Park. It's got some pretty cool sights.
     
  16. Oct 22, 2019 at 6:00 PM
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    F2A05F39-7ABB-451F-9BC9-061E35C58667.jpg 22E4F778-E625-45F8-90BD-25C543E52F8D.jpg 2CAFF96D-3E83-48A8-AD29-24A63C03B6D1.jpg Sorry forgot I had taken some photos of the spark plug and coil. Also have a photo of the tool I purchase from Oreillys to fix the cylinder. It’s similar to what Sangre Kid had shown in his post.
     
  17. Oct 22, 2019 at 6:10 PM
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    Maybe you should consider running cooler plugs!:boink:

    Or carry hot dogs and marshmallows with you.:rofl:

    Good you made it home, and thanks for the lesson, while knowing it was tough going there for awhile.:hattip:
     
  18. Oct 22, 2019 at 9:10 PM
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    I think that coil might be........toast.
     
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    :eek: A testament to the 4.7 Engine being bullet proof. These things can take abuse and still recover.

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    ^^^What he said.^^^ Impressed the crap out of me. Reliable and durable, both rare in today's mass produced vehicles.
     

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