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Sequoia vs Land Cruiser (Differences and similarities)

Discussion in 'Sequoia Builds' started by Jbtaco2002, May 29, 2019.

  1. May 29, 2019 at 12:22 PM
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    saw this info posted up on BAT auctions and since we don't really have a Sequoia Wiki, thought i'd share as i found this to be useful:

    If you are cross shopping 200 Series Land Cruisers and Sequoia’s they are apples to oranges. The primary (mechanical) differences between the two are the 4wd system, suspension and seating configurations.

    4wd: 200 Series LCs use a full time 4wd System with 4Lo and center diff lock. No 2wd option. For traction the LC uses A-TRAC and CRAWL control, both are electronic traction aids that use the abs system. There’s no mechanical locking front or rear diff.

    The 2nd Gen Sequoia borrows it’s 4wd System from the Tundra. 2wd Hi, 4wd HI and 4wd Lo with Center diff lock. Traction aid comes from the same A-TRAC system the LC uses. No CRAWL control or mechanical locking diff option offered on the Tundra/Sequoia

    Suspension: LC uses a solid rear axle with link suspension and coil springs and up front is a independent coilover suspension. Front suspension is unique to the LC and is shorter travel than the Tundra/Sequoia. Common upgrade for a 200 series owner is to swap to Tundra/Sequoia front suspension for longer travel.

    2nd Gen Sequoia again borrows it’s front suspension from the Tundra, which is a coilover set up. The rear of the Sequoia is where things are much different. Sequoia uses a unique Independent Rear Suspension (IRS).

    Seating: Why did I include seating? Because in the real world we aren’t crossing rivers and ascending mtns on the way to drop the kids off at school. We have 3 kids so to us seating arrangement is a big deal. In the 200 you only have one option, standard bench seat second row. To access the third row one of the bench seats has to fold and tumble or the child enters through the cargo area. The 2nd Gen Sequoia offers 2seating arrangements; standard 2nd row bench or optional captains chairs with a pass through…aka mini van set up. To us this was huge. This meant the older two kids could easily access the 3rd row on their own without that need to fold and tumble a seat.

    Towing: 200 series towing capacity is limited to 8500lbs whereas the Sequoia is rated at 10,000lbs.

    Diffs: LC, Sequoia and Tundra all share the same 9” front diff but the LC uses a smaller 9.5” ring gear rear diff with 3.90 gearing whereas the Sequoia uses a unique 10” ring gear in the IRS unit and shares deeper 4.30 gearing from the Tundra. One could make the argument that the Sequoia is more robust than the 200 Series LC but I’ll let you be the judge of that
     
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    So which part makes a Land Cruiser worth another twenty grand?
     
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    at least 20K more...price is way up.
    aren't they made in Japan ?
     
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  5. May 29, 2019 at 2:26 PM
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    solid rear axle, + "luxury" +
     
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    Made in Japan so the quality work is there, crawl control and locking center diff, as mentioned...IRS. Stronger steel from the A,B,C pillars. 360 cameras with front viewing one so you can see where you’re going when off-roading. I want one but yea the price is crazy, I can’t afford a new one but I might buy a used 2013-2015 model although I like the look of the 2016+ models and new interior layout, except I don’t like two screens behind the front seats, I prefer just one from the roof.
     
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    both have the Locking Center diff
     
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    crawl control, essentially just being Software, is it programmed into the ECU? or is there a separate controller for it?

    imagine reflashing Sequoia's with LC ecu (same engine!) and adding a switch and "walla" crawl control on any Toyota 5.7 4x4! <--- major pipe dream, i know
     
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    True, I forgot about that and when I first noticed I wondered why they didn’t put a center locking diff on the tundra. I like these videos:

    https://youtu.be/CaUNDkv-MiA

    https://youtu.be/IKCzbhsJiF8

    https://youtu.be/aw4I9v__FcU

    In the second video I like the washboard road test, it really shows how good a vehicle is put together and the LC has no rattles and it was solid, same as the 4Runner he tested as well as the Lexus LX570.
     
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    If I’m not mistaken, the Tundra’s center diff locks when put in 4wd so it doesn’t need a switch.
     
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    I know the thread is old but thought I'd toss my .02.

    First, the size of the two machines is quite a bit different. They may not seem like a lot, but you can definitely feel the difference when driving them (especially in tighter spaces). LC's are 10" shorter in length and 2" narrower as well as 3" shorter in height. Now, I am not experienced with the most recent Sequoia but I do have experience with the Gen 3 Tundra, Gen 1 Tundra and LC100 (LX470) as well as test driving the LX570. The LC100, IMO, has a much better product than the gen 1 Tundra. Softer and more comfortable leather, high-end finishes and higher quality products used throughout. The LC200(LX570) vs the Gen 3 Tundra has a greater gap in materials/finishes. I would assume the Sequoia uses similar/same materials as Gen 3 Tundra but maybe I'm wrong there.

    The LC200 is meant to be a very durable, reliable off-road machine that also offers a ton of luxuries and is Toyota's most prized SUV. The Sequoia is meant to be a family hauler that competes with other large SUVS (Expedition/Tahoe). They are great suv's with Toyota reliability and very capable but they just aren't built to the same standard as the LC's.
     
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    Thanks @imDementeD, I’m very interested in buying a 200 series landcruiser when my tundra is paid off. What is better Offroad, a center locking differential that comes on landcruisers or a rear locking diff? I like that the LC also has crawl control which helps.
     
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    Max towing on a Sequoia is 7400lbs and has been since 2008.

    A center diff is essentially a transfer case that allows for slip between the front and rear wheels.. aka AWD. The "locking" part of that means that the you will have true 4WD meaning the front and rear wheels will turn at the same speed. This is best for off-roading.
    This is why we can't drive our 4WD Tundras on the street. Because when in 4WD the transfer case acts as a locked center diff and will not let the tires slip while cornering.
    I don't know of any manufacturers making AWD trucks and frankly I think it would be useless except in the case of the 1000HP Thundra build. 4WD or AWD is great at the drag strip. Think Jeep Grand Cherokee Track Hawk.

    Neither the sequoia or LC200 come with a rear locking diff.
    Both come with an AWD system with a center diff lock making them true 4WD vehicles. See my above response. Comparing those 2 things is like talking apples to oranges.
     
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    I have been checking old older Sequoias and LC's, as always in the Northeast, rust steers me away from the older ones.

    I am considering traveling for the right one. Good info here, thanks gents!
     
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    Interestingly, searching for that spec yields a range from 7100 to 10000 depending on trim and the site.
     
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    Exactly. It's looking like something with around 130k miles and about $8500 price tag give or take a few either way.
     
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    Now if I can find a 4runner with a 3rd row or a GX470 or LX that fit the bill I wouldn't hesitate. I'm really just looking for a spare Toyota/Lexus body on frame SUV with a 3rd row that I can use as a beater/project.
     
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    I bet. Yours is awesome! The 460's are a bit pricey tho for what I'm looking for, 3rd vehicle. I test drove one 460 that had a good price tag. It was on the lot for a long time, honestly I think the detail Dept dropped the ball. It needed a good detailing and some minor things here and there, but was at a high end dealership where people want everything like new.

    The timing wasn't right or I would have bit.
     
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    Yeah, hear you on price. We were in market for something newer as it’s the wife’s daily. Although ours priced out not much more than a Limited 4Runner. We drove them all - GX is a different vehicle than the 4Runner IMO. I just ordered BFG KO2’s for it. Hopefully they come in soon. I will post pics. The 470’s are really nice too. You can get a deal on them - they run forever.
     
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    Thanks @Scuba, I’m tracking the LC comes with a center locking differential I was just wondering if that’s better than a vehicle equipped with a rear locking diff. I like the fact that’s it AWD which is better for snow and other conditions where I don’t have to flip a switch for 4wd.
     
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    Makes sense. This will be a third vehicle for the grandparents (none have anything that can fit 3 car seats) to borrow when taking all the kids somewhere, beater for me, and maybe something to take on the occasional trip to the local off road parks.

    I would def pick a GX over a 4runner. Also it seems many are used more gently compared to 4runner's.
     
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    This is why I typically go with the Lexus variant over Toyota. They are pampered! My LX470 was serviced at the Lexus dealership it's entire life. Every service was 5-10k before it was required and was in meant condition minus a small scrape on the front bumper that Lexus fixed before I purchased.

    I also NEVER buy anything brand new. Vehicles depreciate too fast (especially Lexus). The LX570's that sell for 95k+, 2-3 years old sell for ~65K and are in mint condition. The older 2013ish LX570's are going for like 30k now and they have a ton of life left in them.

    @Samoan Thor, I think your question was answered by @Scuba in the sense of what they do. For what's better, that would be purely opinion-based for me but what I can say is, you can add a locker to either vehicle. On my Gen 1 Tundra (beater), I have an LSD in the rear, Center Diff and plan to put a front locker. This will be a cheaper add and should make the vehicle very capable off-road.
     
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    Looked at late model used LC but went new Sequoia. Seating is FAR better in the Sequoia as is cargo room. That goofy jump seat third row in the LC is awful.

    I thought we might like the LC or Lexus version based on tech and luxury but the truth is the Sequoia rides BETTER than a caddy and if anything is less cheesy with the tech. Never felt Lexus interiors held up well from a design standpoint.

    After spending a lot of time looking I'd have gone Sequoia even if the prices were identical for new trucks.

    As to offroading ability all you need there is good tires, some ground clearance and a locker. The rest is window dressing.
     
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    Yes indeed. Lots of pampered older 470’s out there. And believe it or not, the used 470 and 460’s seem to be a bit cheaper than same year and caliber 4Runner’s due to the off roader and 4Runner cult demand.
     
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    Agreed!
     
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    So would it be safe to say(or does anyone know) that since they all use the 5.7V8 and if the front suspension of a tundra would bolt onto the front frame mounts of the LC200, that the front frame of the LC 200 and tundra are the same?
     

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