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1st Gen OME lift kit issues

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by rock climber, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. Oct 7, 2019 at 3:33 PM
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    Hi All,

    I installed the OME lift kit from toytec with the progressive 3 leaf aal in the back (left in the overload leaf). I've got a couple of problems.

    My alignment shop could only get 0 caster and recommends new upper control arms. My front end also sits higher than the rear and it feels like I got at least 4 inches of lift, but I don't know if that's because it was sagging before (I didn't think to measure before). I'm 24 inches from the center of the hub to the fender.

    I'm worried that I'm going to run into other issues with the lift like cv axles and ball joints so I'm debating going with a smaller lift up front.

    Couple of questions

    1. What are my options for a 1.5 lift? The only one I know of is Bilstein 5100
    1a. I Don't have stock coils so if I got EIbach coils with bilstein 5100 at the lowest setting how much lift would that be?

    2. I I go 1.5 lift will I still need new UCA's?

    3. If I get new UCA's should I be ok or am I going to keep running into wear and issues?

    I do 4 wheel occasionally like Moab, but nothing where I need a huge lift
     
  2. Oct 7, 2019 at 3:59 PM
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    Thanks!

    It's a 2001. Lift has been on for a month and I've been to moab in that time so I'm guessing it's mostly settled.
     
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    OME Makes different front springs for the same truck. Which ones did you get? Why not go down in the springs?
    Ex: my Tacoma I could get OME 880, 881, 882, and 883.
    880 would be stock height replacements. 883 would only be recommended for a crew cab with a heavy bumper and would still provide 3” of lift.
     
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    How much lift did the OME kit claim to give?
     
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    You only need upper control arms over 3 inches or so although they will help with the ride and off road durability. If your going to get aftermarket coils just get the bilstein 6112, you can set it at 1.9 inches and be done. I love mine. The bilstein 5100 and 6112 are adjustable but not sure what exact heights but you should be able to get anywhere from .6 or so inches to 2.5 inches with both the 5100 and 6112. New UCA's wont wear anything prematurely persae but they allow the shop to properly align the truck with the lift, If you are worried about maintenance do with a Moog style ball joint type A arm. Not having the truck properly aligned will cause it ride poor and wear parts, especially tires, faster. Your truck is different so it all depends on what parts are available but im sure theres a bunch of options.
     
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    Unfortunately for the 1st gen options are pretty limited. Toytec said they actually designed the OME lift for the tundra and the coils I have are the only real option. I was hoping maybe they goofed and gave me heavier duty springs.

    Thanks! I've really debated the 6112, it's just hard to spend that money when I just spent more on the OME lift.

    2.5 inches. I asked Toytec and they said it's hard to say for sure on the 1st gen because it was so low already in stock form.
     
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    Sounds iffy. You’re around 4” from a claim of 2.5. Doesn’t sound right. I know with the 5100s they can be assembled wrong. The lower spring cup can be mounted upside down and give excess lift. Very unsafe since it’s not encapsulating the C-clip. I’m not sure how the OME works. Maybe a pic could help.
     
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    The 884's are 1/4" shorter than the 885's and carry the same spring rate.
    I would start there.


    Tech specs for 2885
    • Free Height: 395mm
    • Bar Diameter: 17mm
    • Spring Rate: 590 lbf/in
    Tech specs for 2884
    • Free Height: 390 mm
    • Bar Diameter: 16.5 mm
    • Spring Rate: 590 lbf/in
     
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    You didn't include what model or year you had.
    Toytec didn't develop anything OME.. ARB did.
    See my above reply for different springs.
     
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    Thanks! That's great information!
     
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    @Scuba is correct. As mentioned the OME properly configured for the weight load up front is around 2.5". Mine on my 4X4 07 ended up with 2.75". I think ToyTec meant that they will configure the coilovers to your needs.They didn't design them. I had an AAL and Toytec shackles out back. Keep in mind I had the 2nd gen.:thumbsup:
     
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    got 2.75 lift
     
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    Yeah, I misspoke, Toytec didn't design them what I've heard is that they kind of cobbled together different parts that fit, but weren't actually designed for the first gen Tundra.
     
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    The 2.5" is for the 2nd gen and up Tundras and you will get at least 2.5" easy. The OP's coilovers seem to be a custom setup so there is no way to know how much lift you get until installed.:thumbsup:
     
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    Sorry, another question. The OME ride is amazing in almost all situations, but when the front end drops from flat like in a construction area where part of the road is lower, it's very rough. Almost like a solid hard hit. Same when going down the back side of a speed bump. I'm wondering if the spring rate may be slightly too stiff and so I don't have any sag or negative travel. Thanks to Scuba's awesome research it looks like I can get OME 2882 coils which are the same length but a 500LB spring instead of 590LBS. Theoretically that should lower my front end and also provide a softer ride, but is it going to be too soft?

    I don't have any options on the front, it's all stock. Stock bumper, stock winch.

    Also, does anyone know the stock ride heights of the 1st gen access cab measured from the center of the hub to the fender?
     
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    I love my 6112/5160s. I have my 6112 set at the Bilstein recommended max height for my truck, 1 inch. The front is 22 1/4" from center hub.
     
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    Perhaps this is a really stupid question, but I if went with the OME 2883 coil, it's 20mm shorter but same spring rate. Would I run into any issue doing that? Would the spring actually be loose in the shock at full extension or would there still be enough preload?
     
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    With you Gen 1 if you go over 1.5" -2" of lift, then you really need to strongly consider other mods.
    You may be getting more lift than advertised due to your aftermarket springs.
    In addition to alignment issues, the UCAs of 1st gen can't handle much lift. 1.5" over stock is fine, but anything more and the stock ball joints can't articulate enough and the shaft of the ball joint will slam against the rim of the female part of the ball joint everytime the front suspension is overextended, (like when dropping off of the back side of a speed bump.) This will make a loud clunk and also ultimately cause failure of the ball joint.
    Also over 1.5" -2" of lift on a 4x4 1st gen you will need a diff drop. If you don't, your cv boots will be over extended and tear apart. The cvs themselves are going to see premature wear.
    Bilstein 5100s are awesome shocks for the 1st gen.
     
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    I’m not certain man, sorry.
    We used the 883’s on 1st gen Tacoma’s and 3rd gen 4Runners back in the day.

    It would be worth while to start searching and seeing if the part number for your shocks matches the part number of the shocks one would use for a, say, 2000my 4Runner.

    I can do some searching later when I’m next to a computer.
     
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    Reviving this thread because I have a similar issue. I installed an ARB OME front lift kit with 2884 springs and shocks. Was supposed to give 2" of lift and I got closer to 4", partially due to how saggy my original springs were.

    Did you get your lift issue resolved?
     
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    I did, but I wouldn't recommend the route I took. I sold the OME shocks to a member here and bought the toytec adjustable coilovers, they're great, but it ended up costing me a lot. I would get new OME coils.

    Two questions, are you sure you got 2884 coils and not 2885? Also, what is your hub to fender measurement?
     
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    I had the same hunch. The sticker on the spring said 2884 but I wonder if it was mislabeled. Got it from 1stGenOffroad.

    My before measurement (from center of hub to fender) was 19 1/4" and the after measurement is 23" after driving on it for an hour.
     
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    I think stock was around 20" so you got 3" over stock which is at the upper end of what our trucks can do without other issues. I ran my toytec coilovers at 23, but had SPC upper control arms. If I were in your shoes I'd either keep the lift and get new UCA's or go down one level to the 2883 coils. You can sell the 2884 for pretty close to what you paid for them.
     
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    Thanks for the replies, this forum is fantastic. The two options you laid out are what I've been bouncing around. I don't need this much lift and I only plan on running 265/75r16 so I'll probably be stepping down to the 2883 coils.
     
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    I think that makes the most sense and is the most cost effective.

    I loved how well controlled the OME shocks were.
     
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    Your thread is very informative. Tell us what springs and shocks you have decided to run with. Your trk year and model, etc might be same and would help more than you think with some here.
     
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    Got an 06 DC 2wd. I ended up selling the OME shocks and keeping the 2884 coils. I put Bilstein 5100s (on the lowest perch) in the 2884 coils and the lift was much more what I was hoping for. My front measurement is now 22" and I expect that to settle down a little further. Turned out to be the right combination for my truck.
     
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    Anyone know what the inside diameter of OME coils are? Heard the OME coils will need 05+ Tacoma coil seats because OME springs are to narrow for OEM Tundra coil seats.
     
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