I have no interest in a hybrid tundra

My 2015 tundra is paid for and I plan to keep it around for quite a while. I’ll let everyone else try these new trucks and then someday I’ll make a decision on a new or newer truck. I think the next 5 years or so the truck industry is going to change dramatically. So I’ll sit back enjoy my 15 and observe.

 

The hybrid has proven to be more reliable than their fuel counterparts.

 

I'll admit the idea of a hybrid is EXTREMELY unappealing. Yeah, the Prius is reliable but you couldn't pay me to drive one. However, when you look at the technology in the more recent Hypercars (Porsche 918, McLaren P1, Ferrari ferrari, others I can't remember) and the sheer speed and torque that's possible, I don't know. Could make for one hell of a rig.

 

I wouldn’t not hesitate to purchase a hybrid Tundra, even the 1st year of production. I always looks at a companies track record. Regarding hybrids, Toyota wrote the book. They have invested big $$$$ in the technology and the hybrid systems have proven to be reliable over billions of customer driven miles. Heck, even some taxis companies use the Prius and they are driven hard and put away wet.

Pickups trucks will change dramatically in the next 10-years. I predict the good old V8 powered pickup will dead by 2030.

 

I would love to see Toyota put out a 3/4 ton diesel option versus a turbo gas engine. But with today's emission standards, it's understandable why they are going with this option. If I ever need to big torque to tow, I would just prefer to trade in for a diesel from the big 3. Just my personal preference. My older brother had a Ford ecoboost as a work truck. He absolutely hated it. It was always in the shop for engine & turbo repairs. Is that a Ford issue or a small turbo gas engine issue, I do not know. Maybe Toyota has it figured out in regards to a V6 turbo engine and it can be as reliable as everyone expects a Toyota product to be.

 

About to be retired ... about all I will be using mine for is hunting and dragging my boat to the coast for fishing ... bought it a few years early to make sure I had the 5.7 V8

 

The rumor is the generation Tundra will hit dealer lots in the fall of 2020 as a 2021 model. Get your 350 cubic inch V8 Tundra while you can!

 

Yeah probably for the Half tons but the big 3 are still coming out with V8s for their 2500/250 series trucks. Look at the 7.3L V8 Ford has coming for example.

 

We have yet to see a mass-produced and marketable hybrid system implemented in any truck, let alone a North American one. Nor we are anywhere close to having an all electric truck that is truly capable of replacing internal combustion trucks...despite all the media hype about Tesla big rigs and what not.

So what makes you think that hybrids will beat out diesels in the next 10 years?
Domestic OEM's have invested heavily into diesel engines for their truck lineup. I'm sure hybrid solutions are around the corner, but they face a big hurdle, namely torque delivery. Case & point: the Prius sold only 150k units in North America at its peak in 2012. That number, while significant, is relatively small compared to the number of conventional cars, trucks and SUV's being sold on an annual basis...and the Prius' sales numbers have declined steadily from that high point (just under 50k for 2018). The Prius excels at being efficient, but its not a fun car to drive, and many consumers seem to prefer gasoline cars that are still cheap to fuel but offer better driving characteristics.

So the demand for hybrid and full on electric vehicles, especially trucks, is lukewarm at best. Maybe Toyota has some trick up its sleeve to offer good torque and a decent improvement in fuel economy for the next Tundra...quite honestly, I see a new turbo diesel design as the best means for achieving that. Toyota's experimentation with atkinson cycle in the Tacoma has shown that while the mpg can be improved, the torque delivery suffers. I think Tundra owners will be far less willing to put up with that tradeoff than are Tacoma owners.

 

The only thing that would cause a bigger swing to the hybrid market is a jump in fuel prices. Honestly for my usage, I would be open to a hybrid.

 

Fuel prices will inevitably go up, but with the recent expansion in the North American petroleum and fracking industry, I don't see a significant price swing occurring any time soon.

 

My only complaint with diesel, is that the people that buy them NEED to educate themselves. I deal with a lot of, we'll call them idiots, that don't understand how today's diesels work. They need to be ran on long runs to get the egt and dpf/scr temps up to actually do what all the EPA shit is on there for. And to keep your fuel clean.

 

Bump for new article: https://www.torquenews.com/6626/tundra-fans-weigh-rumored-2021-toyota-tundra-hybrid

They quoted TundraCrew??? WTF. States they have 40,000+ members; how many do we have?

 

You're right, class 8 trucks run turbochargers almost exclusively. Diesel engines throttle by fuel, not air. They don't produce a vacuum so they have trouble with aspiration. Forced air induction helps alleviate that problem. Reciprocating aircraft engines have a similar problem because of thinner air at altitude. Forced air induction helps piston engines develop their rated power at altitude. Both aircraft and truck applications share a common advantage to turbo reliability in the fact they are generally run for long periods of time and they are run in their powerband for more of their operating hours. In other words, less idling and less full throttle as a percentage of run time than a typical light truck or car engine. Also, operators tend to be more aware of operational limitations. In fact they're defined in the manuals as is maximum power to be attained in certain phases of flight, eg. MCP, METO. Also, most pilots operating turbocharged aircraft know about the shock of rapid cooling that can lead to engine failure and plan ascents and descents accordingly. Also, most operators know the oil supply to the critical turbine wheel bearing is lost upon shutdown and know to idle their turbocharged engines after landing to allow the turbine wheel to spin down. Trucks likewise should not come off the interstate and be rapidly shut down.

So, I'm not against forced induction on passenger cars and light trucks. It's a legitimate way to make big power from a small source. My wariness lies in manufacturers such as Ford that have been known to overboost their light diesels to compete with Dodge and literally pulled head bolts out as a result. Also, when I hear that turbos are failing at extremely low mileages I have to suspect, per my discussion above that the operators are abusing the turbos, without even knowing it. I trust Toyota to engineer their new driveline with a good balance of power and reliability. However, if it involves turbochargers they have a factor with their target audience they simply cannot control for. I'm not afraid of well designed turbocharged engines, I am afraid of the person that might have owned it before me should I buy a used one.

 

FUNNY!!!

 

Personally, I'm looking forward to a hybrid Tundra. I think it would make an even better overlanding vehicle than the 5.7 I drive now. Extra battery pack means I can run all my electronics on it without worry and the torqey electric motor is ideal for offroading given a smart tc system. Bring on the tech!

 

I doubt that the next tundra will have a traditional hybrid powerplant. Unlike ford and gm, Toyota doesn’t really like to produce vehicles with 6 different motor options. Having a gas and a hybrid option will be a much more complicated production/prediction/distribution situation.

Hybrid fullsize vehicles have largely been a joke in the past. Gm has tried and failed. The prius was market changing. Slapping the same idea into a tundra will not be as successful. The truck market is also different than yuppie middle aged women and soy boys. I just do not see it working the same.

 

...but then the old 7.3 doesn't roll coal to give that Prius it's special tune up!! I usually wait to find one with their driver's window down, my pipe is on the passenger side.....pedal mash....

I'd LOVE to see the diesel hybrid Tundra, or the plug in electric Tundra with useable solar ports for my kit and/or the solar sunroof like the Prius has, and/or a Toyota decklid/tonneau cover that's a collector. It's coming, won't be too long. Yes, the Tesla electric semi will output a Peterbuilt, UP a HILL. (Exactly how long, I have no idea....)

 

I’ve always wondered why light trucks can run like caterpillar tractors. Electric motors with onboard diesel generators. Seems like a very small generator could power a truck
(In conjunction with battery storage)

 

I’m excited about the new hybrids and all electric trucks that are rumored the next few years. Six weeks ago my plan was to keep my F150 for two more years and then get a hybrid or possibly even the Tesla truck. But no plan survives first contact....

How each OEM will implement their designs and what benefits it will actually have are two unanswered questions. Ford’s quality has lost me as a customer, but I think they will make a very user-friendly truck. If the OEMs make good trucks with great features and the hybrid system offers a significant improvement in MPGs, then I think they will be successful.

 

My '12 Tundra is finally paid off. Though the appeal of a "hybrid" truck that gets better fuel economy than my 5.7L (15 mpg highway), sounds great--the downside is the expense of the battery after 5-10 years. Currently hybrid batteries are in the $4k-8k range on other similarly equipped vehicles. Other "hybrid" full size trucks are seeing a minimal increase in fuel economy. Not enough of an increase to justify the higher buy in cost, and longer term maintenance.

I've been fortunate that the only maintenance I have had to on my Tundra is your normal belts, hoses, fluids, plugs, tires, and filters. I take care of my Tundra (as many of us do), and expect it to last for years to come.

Hybrid and electric vehicles is still evolving, and likely still has another 5-10 years to go before our beloved Tundra's will have an all electric power train that gives us the power, and range economy many of us need for our trucks. Will be interesting to see where automotive technology takes us in the coming years.

 

As much as I would like to keep my truck with its V8.

I’m noticing a trend with all car and truck manufacturers stemming away from from these gas guzzlers. Face it people where everything has been thrust upon us, change is here or coming whether we like it or not.

Whilst traveling in Europe, and deciding to order my replacement car there. I was advised to pick up a hybrid. Not a pure diesel nor pure gas. Europe is moving away from diesel fueled cars and gasoline cars. Instead the focus has been hybrid motors. I’m seeing these hybrids in commercial trucks for hauling. As well as your consumer line up. Interesting enough Ford and Toyota has nice offerings in Europe which are not offered here, but I suspect we will soon see them on US shores.

Since Europe is cracking down, so will the USA. I would be interested to see what they start offering as a hybrid. I would definitely buy a Toyota hybrid over American hybrid technology. Only because I feel Toyota has the most experience in that field. Mercedes is another one to consider only because some of their hybrids are diesel hybrid.

Whether we embrace or not, I do see our future in automotive going to all electric. It’s clean and no pollution. But like anything else all new tech, has its fair share of problems. Battery tech gets better every year. But what about battery disposal? I personally feel that Tesla was the forefront to make people accept a change. Tesla at least for myself, I would never buy, they have so many issues and are built shoddy. Tesla, was in the fore front only because the big auto manufactures decided to step down. They too have offerings that coming out, that are interesting.

When Toyota, does offer a hybrid, I will look at it. I’m spending between $3k-$5k a month on fuel costs to fill up my trucks. If I save some of that expense, it would definitely be worth while.

just my $.02

 

So funny, I'm starting to totally get it ...

 

The average american driver right now doesn’t save anything with their hybrid. The long term effects of all the extra batteries on the environment likely more than negates any emissions savings they have as well.

We are all more aware than most. The average hybrid driver has no concept of the overall pollution picture

 

The next decade is going to be interesting for sure and it is looking like the Heavy Duty trucks, Muscle cars and a couple 1500 series trucks will have a V8 still remaining or have a V8 with something like Ram has going on with the etorque system.

 

I will not buy a truck without a V8. If Toyota decides to not offer one in the future, I will buy something else. If I have to buy a one ton truck to get a V8, that’s what I will do. I didn’t buy a truck for fuel economy. That’s what I have a corolla for.

 

Ya, we want a V8 that do 30mpg.

 

Heard from a dealer today that the 2021 will have a “eco V6 engine” - will get 21mpg. Who knows when the hell this will happen.

I’m happy that I paid off my new truck - who wants to pay 4.99% APR - crazy - f that noise

 

My takeaway from this is that Toyota feels the 3.5 sedan engine they stuff into everything nowadays will work for the Tundra if turbo charged. It doesn't work well in the Tacoma, and it will be a complete disaster in the Tundra.

 

I would be all over a factory supercharged 5.7. That would be incredible. Kinda like Ford's Shelby F150....imagine the sound.