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2019 maintenance manual

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by a_double, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Jul 18, 2019 at 8:33 PM
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    a_double

    a_double [OP] New Member

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    Does anybody own the factory maintenance manuals for the latest Tundra? What format does in come in (electronic, hardcopy)? I like to wrench on my own truck and having this as a reference would be nice.

    I own a 2000 and bought the factory hardcopy maintenance manuals. It helped me immensely in doing the following:

    • timing belt replacement
    • swapping out transmission sensors
    • installing Alpine alarm system
    • brake maintenance
    • shock/strut swapout
    • and many more :)
    I plan on purchasing a 2019 Tundra and will attempt to negotiate this into deal. Wish me luck.:D
     
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  2. Jul 18, 2019 at 10:48 PM
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    jpdxtundras

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    I think unless you shell out $ to Toyota the only resource is gonna be TIS https://techinfo.toyota.com/ ... while there are some docs that are available as PDF for download, most of it is native HTML. $20 for 2 days, $90 a month or $480 a year.
     
  3. Jul 18, 2019 at 11:03 PM
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    Thanks for the info and feedback. At those prices, I'm thinking the cost through dealer purchase would pay itself payback quickly. Especially with the longevity of these trucks and myself being a DIY'er.
     
  4. Jul 19, 2019 at 5:10 AM
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    I am afraid the days of hard copy Service Repair Manuals are gone for good. Modern vehicles are so complicated that the last hard copy manuals I purchased for new cars (2006, 2008) were four volume sets, and approximately 9" of shelf space. At $300 per set (GM Helm), the cost was reasonable. Fortunately, my use of those manuals was minimal for routine maintenance. There were some big items, but those occurred during the warranty period and were handled by the dealer.

    Thinking you can use any OEM service literature to trouble-shoot modern complicated systems without dealer tools and training may be optimistic thinking. In fact, given the training level of some dealer techs, I believe that if the most complicated modern systems fail to perform, you may as well just trade it in or set the vehicle on fire, because it's doubtful the problem will ever be fixed.

    It'll be interesting to see how your dealer responds to including access to service literature in the purchase price. I suspect the tech service documents business is handled entirely by tech services online site. Dealers are likely to be customers as well, and their price probably isn't much cheaper for similar products.
     
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  5. Jul 19, 2019 at 5:49 AM
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    I used to do exactly as the OP has stated, but as JohnLakeman stated, I don't think they even create hard copies of the manuals anymore. By keeping them online, they can continually charge $$ to access them every time you need them, plus, as errors are discovered in the documentation, the documents can be updated and will be instantly available when you look through them online.
     
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  6. Jul 19, 2019 at 8:25 AM
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    Id love to have this as well. Should go in on a group buy (buy one and distribute)? :)
     
  7. Jul 19, 2019 at 9:15 AM
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    The 2015 Tundra Service Repair Manual was 12497 pages. The 2019 manual is probably 15000 pages with all the safety features added in 2018. The only practical way to distribute would be by CD, and I expect Toyota deliberately has the file download protected such that it can only be used online. I'm afraid "Mama Toyota" has DIY guys by the short hairs regarding the service repair manual. Maybe an enterprising Chinese will hack their site and sell it on ebay. :D
     
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    Truth ^^^. The .pdf file is...........is.................is 318MB's in size!!!!!!!
     
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  9. Jul 19, 2019 at 4:00 PM
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    All great points especially the one about revisions/updates to the documentation. In 2000, the format was hardcopy and I definitely was missing the updates, but that is one thing that makes the forums great. An online community can help bridge the gap. The last car I purchased, back in 2010, I bought the factory maintenance manual. It was a CD. I'm hoping for the same for the 2019 Tundra. With an electronic copy, I could research my repairs at work on my "smoke break." :p

    One thing I don't agree with is the notion that anything beyond minor maintenance isn't possible. Complex repairs are very possible, especially with the factory maintenance manual.

    I don't believe, just because someone wears a shirt that says Toyota, they know what they are doing 100% of the time. I'd rather do my own maintenance to the max extent possible. Gives me peace of mind, and if something goes wrong, I'm the only one to blame.

    You can also gauge a repair complexity using the maintenance manual and make a decision on whether you wan't to take on a task by yourself.
     
  10. Jul 19, 2019 at 9:38 PM
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    I think you're right when you say complex repairs are very possible. Everyone uses the word "computers" or "electronics" as a cop-out to keep from learning the system. Sometimes diagnosis can be very difficult without the factory software or a very expensive scan tool. Difficult doesn't mean impossible though. Many are too afraid of computers. Computers execute code, when they stop doing that correctly it's often very predictable and sometimes hilarious how they act. However, wiring issues and sensors randomly going out of range can really be a bite if you can't see it happening in real time. CANBus can turn into CAN'TBus real quick.

    As far as Toyota technicians, they're just like doctors or any other profession. I don't care what they know until I know they care about my problem. Too much burnout in too many professions.

    I don't know about their Toyota coverage, but I've used Mitchell online professionally and found it very helpful. And expensive. However, they have an online service catering to advanced DIYer's such as yourself. A quick look at their website shows $29.95 per year for a single vehicle and $44.95 for 4 years. I'm not affiliated with them and I haven't used them for 10 years but they used to have all I needed.

    Good luck, I used to be where you're at but at my age and with a type of muscular dystrophy, I have to rely on dealers more than ever.
     
  11. Jul 20, 2019 at 5:19 AM
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    Every man has to learn his limitations, and I believe my education in such matters is now fairly complete. If your own personal assessment is accurate, you may benefit from paying for Toyota tech services information. Apply your own cost/benefit analysis; source and price have been provided. Good luck. :thumbsup:
     
  12. Feb 19, 2020 at 2:09 PM
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    Can anybody confirm whether or not a TIS subscription is per vehicle? Or does a subscription get you access to all Toyota's?
     

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