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New position at work.

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  1. Jun 21, 2019 at 7:49 AM
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    owb2gp

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    So I interviewed a few weeks ago for a promotion and was offered the new position. I meet with the general manager about the new position expectations Monday. And I have been told that he is going to offer me the position at a lower pay that was offered when the job was posted. Is that normal? His reasoning is that a can't jump in and do the job without 3-6 months training.

    Here is the back story. Currently I work for a small power utility and my position is dispatch for power and the city utilities like water and sewer. We were told 6 months ago my job was being dissolved since they were going with a call center. New position came open a month ago for what's called a energy specialist and I have actually been helping with this position the past 3 years and I know most of the job.

    So do I push back or just take the position at a lower pay that was posted? Also the general manager intimidates the shit out of me.

    Edit: I should add the new position at the pay posted would have been $10,000 more per year and what I've heard what he is going to offer me would be more money than I make hourly but would be the same as I make yearly currently because right now I work shift work and get night differential and 8 hours overtime a paycheck.
     
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  2. Jun 21, 2019 at 8:22 AM
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    You should prepare a list beforehand showing you already have the experience for the job. Dont see why they would lower the pay. You don't have to say yes right away. Every job can be negotiated. Just know how much push back you are willing to take.
     
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  3. Jun 21, 2019 at 8:27 AM
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    If you have the experience and the know how there shouldn't be a reason for you to start at the bottom, dont feel intimidated, make him feel intimidated!..You know that your capable and let him know that you are. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
     
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  4. Jun 21, 2019 at 8:29 AM
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    You should agree getting paid at the lower rate on the condition that after 3-6 months you get a formal review to prove you've attained the training commensurate to the original job posting. And while you learn the job, keep your eyes peeled for another option in case your boss wants to be a dick and continue to low ball you.
     
  5. Jun 21, 2019 at 8:38 AM
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    From experience, this hasnt ever worked out for me. Always a fight at the end of the trial period. Negotiate the pay up front.
     
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    Yep. Negotiate in writing a formal review after a certain amount of time with the expectation of the pay increase that was stipulated in the beginning.
     
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  8. Jun 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM
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    Are there other companies in your city that you could transfer your experience to? It may be valuable for you to take the opportunity, get skilled up, and if they don't pay you appropriately you find someone who will.
     
  9. Jun 21, 2019 at 9:17 AM
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    Who said it’s going to be offered at a lower salary?
     
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  10. Jun 21, 2019 at 9:18 AM
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    Also, do you recognize this couch, by chance?

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  12. Jun 21, 2019 at 9:27 AM
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    Being salaried will mean more than 40-hour weeks with zero additional compensation. So, if you and the manager agree to a six-month training/adjustment period at a lower rate, rather than $10K less, how about $6K less. This gives you a small bump with the incentive of a larger increase at a set time (provided you meet expectations). Note that said expectations as well as the additional $6K salary increase MUST be in writing through HR. A verbal commitment is worthless.
    Having stated that, I took lower paying jobs a few times and was able to work into higher compensation in a short period of time. However, the price that I paid was 80-95 hour work weeks and personal sacrifice to health and time with my family. Everyone needs to weigh the pro- as well as the con-, then make the best decision for them and their family. If I had to do it over again, I probably would, but not with those hours.
    Best of luck!
     
  13. Jun 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM
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    I'd tell them the following:

    Is this a long term position? (obviously they will say yes)
    So in 4 years from now, I'll still be making a lower salary just bc I needed some training up front?
    How about this... Pay me the lower salary while I'm doing the 3-6 months of training, but I want the fair compensation after that.

    If they push back, then maybe say you will take the lower salary for the first YEAR, but then after that you want the "FAIR" salary that was initially offered since that is what this position is worth.
     
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  14. Jun 21, 2019 at 10:11 AM
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    This is actually a really good point. I wouldn't believe the rumor mill.

    That being said, if they do try to lowball you, I would politely push back. This country is at record low unemployment which means it's a great time to find a new job and a horrible time to try and fill new roles. There is a shortage of qualified people in a lot of fields. I wouldn't take shit pay unless it's your best option.
     
  15. Jun 21, 2019 at 10:16 AM
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    I’ve been out of the workforce for a couple of years now, but I damn sure wouldn’t take a cut in hopes to get an increase later..Someone beyond you is looking to cover there numbers not yours..
     
  16. Jun 21, 2019 at 11:22 AM
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    You're going to be making the same amount of money annually, but working less hours. So, you need to figure out what's more important...your time or money?

    However, i would be pissed if I saw a job posted with a starting salary of $X, applied, interviewed, and was selected but not offered the salary that was posted. Was anyone who got selected for the job going to receive the same low ball offer due to lack of training? You were obviously the most qualified applicant, so I'm confused on how you were selected, yet lack the training required for the position. If someone else was more qualified and didn't require additional training, why weren't they selected for the position in the first place?

    Seems to me your GM knows you're backed into a corner given that your current position is being dissolved and is trying to take advantage of the situation figuring you have no choice but to accept the job, even at a lower salary than advertised.
     
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    That’s the negotiating couch. :eek:
     
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    Everything nowadays is to get the work done as cheap as possible... If you want more $$$ they will look right past you and hire the less experienced BUT CHEAPER candidate. No company actually cares about your well being first, they think about theirs. Use this same mentality when negotiating... Think of you first. If you are ready go, then there is no need for a "trial period" or reduction to start. Get what you're worth, or tell them to sail without wind.
     
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    Not really. I live in a small town.
     
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    My direct manager.
     
  21. Jun 21, 2019 at 11:51 AM
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    I would just meet and see how it goes. It sounds like your current position is going bye bye and options are limited in your area. And if the job is something that can be learned within 6 months they may decide they aren’t willing to pay you what you want and go for the cheaper option. If they go that route you may be in a pinch. There’s no guarantee they offer at less money and if they do your still making same/more than you do now. Take the gig, work hard and make yourself dispensable and then work on more money.
     
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    Bingo. That's what I think at least.

    They did have a few other applicants that were well qualified but they wanted the top of the pay scale and that wasn't going to happen.

    My direct boss basically stuck his head out for me and knows I'll crush the job even though I'm not the most qualified for the position.

    They had 2 options. Hire me since my job is being dissolved and train me and pay less than posting or hire someone from the outside and pay mid pay.

    And I do value working 8 hours less every two weeks plus right now I work shift work. 7 nights from 7 to 7 and 7 days 7 to 7 and I work 2 weekends a month right now and we are never closed do we work holidays. New position is Monday thru Friday 7am to 330pm no weekends or holidays.

    I guess I'll see what happens Monday.
     
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    Thanks for all the advice. I'll go in Monday and see what he says.
     
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    Damn.. Take the job with a huge smile on your face and be grateful. I’m in the utility world and you couldn’t pay me to do rotational shift work.
     
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    Shift work is tough. 4 years was enough for me. I'll now be able to attend my kids activities and enjoy my family.
     
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    They want the most experienced person for that job and they are willing to pay to get it.
    They picked you.

    Answered I guess
     
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    I don't have much else to add. Good points above - don't be intimidated (you have all of Tundras.com rooting for you!), take a resume showing your related work experience, negotiate a rate between what he offers and what the position was advertised for, with written agreement for an increase after 6 months. Either way, even if you don't get the higher pay, it is still better than being laid off due to the dissolved position. Work yourself up from where ever you start.
    Good luck.
     
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    Will def be be getting that in writing.
     
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    I would never go for that type of deal. Its always just a way for them to pay you less period. That period of three months will turn into a year and maybe more. Hold your ground, the position had a value assigned to it, prove your experience and that you are worth that amount of money. You may not get it but at least you tried. You always lose if you never try.
     
  30. Jun 27, 2019 at 1:19 PM
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    I forgot to update this earlier. Been busy at the new position.

    Ended up accepting the position making $2,000 more per year than I was making now than after my evaluation in six months I should see another $8,000 per year. Then every year I can expect a descent raise till I top out or the market adjusts up.
     

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